Tommy Morrison vs Rocky Marciano

Buster Mathis was a fat tub of goo. Morrison was not.

Carnera had minimal skills and minimal power. Morrison did not.

Buddy Baer was sturdy but lacked the power, speed and footwork of Morrison... and oh, he faced the best combo thrower the division ever saw.

Louis had a 77" reach not a 67" reach, and he was a rock solid 20 pounds heavier and 3 inches taller than Marciano. His obstacles were not so immense.

Again, I am waiting for the first seasoned pro fighter to tell me that 40 pounds of functional weight (not blubber like Mathis) is not a factor, especially they when the guy holding those pounds is faster of hand and foot. I just have amateur experience but I goddamned well felt the difference between 160 and 200 pounders.

 

Tommy Morrison has improved out of sight on this forum of late.

Put **** on Mathis if you like but he didn't gas out after a whole 4 rounds of fighting like Morrison did against Mercer. He hung tough with Frazier, certainly tougher than Morrison did with Lewis and Michael Bentt.

And as for skills, Morrison couldn't out box Puritty, was getting banged up and going life and death with Joe Hipp (a real tub of lard) and had to get off the floor to beat washed up non puncher Carl Williams. I saw no evidence of elite level skills or footwork there and the only fight where you could make a case for him showing them would be against an old, fat and slow Foreman who, let's be honest wasn't that hard to look mobile and skilled against. And even that was a one off.

Morrison was dangerous and entertaining to watch but with all his proven flaws I stuggle to favour him in many of these h2h match ups against elite level guys.

 

So your saying Marciano uses his jab , defense and speed to outbox Mwrcwr?

 

Who? Mercer? OK. Today's giant don't move anywhere near as good as Walcott. They're rip pickings for a small on the move hard hitting fighter like Marciano.

Lennox didn't fight Byrd but was willing to take on big hard hitting giants? Please

No I'm saying those guys fought and took punches from elite giants who outweighed them tremendously and with the argument size matter they should have dispatched them. The argument is SIZE because he'll be able to punch Marciano to the ground yet those fighters I mentioned took some good shots and WON. Even though they had inferior reachs they were still able to land good shots due to skill,slickness,speed;all which Marcinao hard and they don't hit anywhere Marciano.

Hell Valuev had 90pounds on Holyfield,landed some good shots and Holy kept coming forward.If you think Marciano is a man who takes a lot of punishment then you're wrong. His defense was good. He didn't get as hit as many shots as people make out.


BTW Seamus, you should ask them does every fighter take a punch the same way.

 

Watched Morrison vs Michael Bentt. Had a great laugh imagining that turkey morrison beating marciano after getting knocked out in 1 round by that goodtrooper Bentt.

 

So, Roy Jones uses preternatural hand speed, foot speed and reflexes to beat Ruiz and clay-footed Marciano beats Morrison because he tips the scale at the same weight as Jones?

It astounds me how ****ing ill-informed people on this forum can be.

Marciano was a plodding, come-forward power puncher and a great one against guys who were his own weight or just not in his class. His style, with his distinct and pronounced physical limitations, would not translate into the modern heavyweight ranks. My argument? Where is the dominant power punching, slow-ass, five foot ten, 67 inch reach, 185 pound fighter in the heavyweight ranks over the past 30 years? If you can't answer that you can't answer **** in this discussion... and cased closed.

 

Ye because Marciano had none of that. Only one ill informed is you. I would bet on you've only seen Walcott vs Marciano.

Plodder? LOL. His footwork was great. Give me one fight as a HW Champion where he showed bad footwork? His constant crouch requires tremendous balance. Coming up from the floor with such power is a hard hard thing to do. You really don't know what you're talking about.

You're argument has always been SIZE = EQUATES TO POWER which means Morrison size would be able to PUNISH MARCIANO BECAUSE HE WAS SMALLER. Yet Holyfield was outweighed in every HW match. Haye. Byrd. These men beat big bigger hard punching giants which renders your size argument USELESS.

You argument you state above "67 reach..slow" that's like saying every 220LB,75" reach fighter is the same,every 250LB fighter the same, Wach and Klitschko are the same. Tyson punches like Herbie Hide. Only thing which would make them similiar is if they used and trained same style under same trainer. This argument holds no water at all you tool. Bring that case to court it would be thrown out.

 

Where is the 185 pound, 67 inch reach, 5 foot 10 power puncher who does not rely on speed of hand or foot who has even affected the heavyweight division in the past 30 years?

If you can't answer, your argument is pure ****. Or perhaps we should go look at the tape of Savarese versus Tucker?

 

LOL here's my counter attack. Who has intimidated Ali successfully? Foreman? Wheres the next Mike Tyson? Everyone has tapes of him yet no one can fight like him? Wheres the next combination puncher like Joe Louis. You keep saying Marciano was slow which is not true. You constantly get angry when someone challenges you. I wonder what you're like in real life.

I corrected Sava/Tucker was a mistake because I don't double check I go off memory.

I'll tell myself Walcott was "old,tired" when Marciano KO'd him because every HW fighter can fight 15 good rounds especially one like that.

Wait maybe ill attack a poster for not understanding what he said. Then I'll go to other threads and be a total hypocrite and type the same thing.

 

David Tua was a 5'10, 70 inch reach power puncher who didn't rely on speed of hand and foot who made a decent mark on the heavyweight division.

Granted Tua was a lot heavier than 185-90 but he was also fat above 225, often out of shape, pudgy looking and lazy none of which Marciano was.

Tua did okay in this era of body beautiful, steroid fuelled giants but to be fair there weren't a whole lot of Marciano/like fighters before he came along either. Rocky was almost unique in his ability to make his limitations work for him so the fact noone like him has come along in 30 years probably isn't that unusual.

 

My position has been steady. It's your comprehension that can't keep up. Just so you can give a go, I'll re-state once again.

For sub-200 class, Marciano is a hell of a head to head competitor, right in the argument with the best. But whereas some at that size are more suited to go up in weight, Marciano, with his dwarfish dimensions and lack of foot and hand speed, falls off precipitously with heavier elite opponents. There is not a comparable elite heavyweight over the last 30 years who was that short, that stumpy, that slow (and yes, he was not quick) and that light... let alone one who dominated the division. The evidence is just so goddamned overwhelming that your only argument can be that Marciano was some alien genetic freak who would be able with his Lilliputian stature to overcome modern sized super heavies who did not exist in his day on the elite level. And I don't buy that.

Now, note that I have not picked a winner yet in the match-up between Marciano and Morrison, mostly because Marciano arrived at every fight in the peak of fighting trim while Morrison mostly spent his time training going through as much trim as possible.

 

I've been at two Tua training camps and seen him fight live twice. He is a huge ****ing individual. Marciano was not. There is a good reason for the 30-40 pound weight difference.

And all that said, Tua couldn't crack the elite super heavies.

 

No he couldn't.

But that's because the condition he turned up in was often terrible. I would've loved to have seen the 225 pound, sharp, powerful, high output Tua of the Ibeabuchi fight turn up against Lewis instead of the fat, slow, listless 250 pound one that did.

Would he have beaten Lewis?

Probably not but he didn't even give himself a chance to.

 

You're argument hasn't been steady. Go back and reread what you've been saying. You've argued in the Klitschko thread the bigger theory..what's they to comprehend apart from you're saying bigger the fighter the better he is at punching,able to absorb punishment which doesn't hold up.

You really have no argument.

He was a genetic freak with his punch but he was tougher then any fighter mentally which is something you can't comprehend or disregard when arguing Marciano vs size. When fighters today are tired,that's it they hardly fight anymore. When Marciano was tired in Charles 1 fight the last round he was punching and punching. Mental toughness you either got it or don't.

No one wanted to win more then Marciano.

Yea he wasn't slow.

 

Big fan of both fighters this one is a real pick 'em as I'm not sure how either will react. Morrison started off very fast and stalked opponents throwing fast combos with power several times greater than anything Rocky ever felt. However he never faced anyone as small (Crouching stance wise) and awkward as Marciano who throw such unorthodox shots and put so much pressure on them. Morrison was gasping for breath in the 3rd round of his fight with Foreman because of the constant pressure but he could get away from Foreman (as could anyone) easily, not sure if he could with Marciano. At the same time I'm not sure if Rocky could withstand Morrison's awesome power MagnaNasakki said from everyone he's talked to and worked with it appears that Morrison and I'm quoting was "far and away" the hardest left hooker, this including Tua. Pinklon Thomas said he hit so hard he was certain his gloves were loaded. This coming from legitimate heavyweights, it's certainly possible Morrison takes him out.