Look let's be realistic here. Wlad/Vitali/Lewis would dominate any era of HW boxing

Of course it can offer and an advantage. But it's not going to be enough if the smaller opponent is an all-around better fighter.

 

Whoever is stupid enough to laugh at logic and facts, then I wear their laughter as a badge of honor.

 

It's a sliding scale, like I've said.

 

Mayweather is a boxing wizard, probably the most skillled in the world. He was thought everything he knew by his father who learnt his craft from the great trainer Eddie Fuch. What was handed down to him came from masters that dont exist today.

Fuch drew out a gameplan for Frazier to successfully defeat Ali. Training Frazier to beat Wlad the predictable jab straight robot who cant adapt would be the easiest work he ever did.

 

It's really interesting to see the level of delusion people are suffering under. 5'11, 205 pound Frazier, easily beating 6'6 240 lp Wlad. Yeah. The funny thing, is if prime Frazier was magically transported to this time, given a fake identity, but the same record, you would mercilessly rip on Wlad for fighting such a small fighter. And then, when Wlad ko'd him in a couple rounds, you would say that was evidence of how this is the weakest era in HW boxing history. What a joke.

 

Wlad yes, but not Vitali and particullary NOT Lewis ..

I see Mike Tyson though as a winner against Wlad, but Wlad is definetly no. 2

 

Take Frazier remove his skill, have him operate in extreme slow motion and you get something that resembles Sam Peter. This Sam Peter almost had Wlad knocked out and put him into survivial mode. Give Peter great skills , speed , relentless pressure and Wlad has no chance.

 

andrewa1,

So Ali didn't have superior footwork to Wlad, and more overall skills?

Shall we do a breakdown?

Yes, Ali was knocked DOWN, not OUT!

Ali fought Cooper when he was young. Again, we're talking about about a peak Ali, not a young Clay.

Doug Jones was a fast former 175 fighter.

Doug Jones fought NOTHING like Wlad.

Mildenburger was a southpaw.

Why don't we have a closer look at those fights.

Ali fought Mildenburger in a scheduled 15 rounder in September 1966, just ONE MONTH after fighting London.

It was also his FOURTH fight of the year, and all of the those were scheduled 15 rounders.

What would have happened if he'd have been rested, and had a 3 month camp etc?

Again you're using examples of a 70's version of Ali. Why?

We're talking about a peak 67 version.

Ha! How does Wlad have a better overall skill set?

So Ali had a low KO ratio? Which means what exactly? He couldn't have beaten Wlad?

Complete and utter RUBBISH!

Size can play a part if fighters are of similar abilities.

But skills can overcome physical advantages.

Tyson was 5'10 and 220 pounds.

Tyson's not a single example. He was at a physical disadvantage for most of his fights.

Valuev?

Ha!

How was he more athletic as a whole than a 67 Ali?

You have given me NOTHING!

You're comparing athletes of other sports to boxing.

Records have been broken in track and field, and sports science has improved, but that is not evidence that boxing skills have progressed as a whole.


Who's the greatest WW of all time?


Ray Robinson.

When was he at his best?

About 60-70 years ago!



Who was the greatest LMW fighter of all time?


Hearns?

When was he at his peak?

30 years ago in the 80's!



What about the greatest LW?

Etc, etc?


You've got nothing!

 

What logic?

What so called evidence have you given?

You're comparing athletes from other sports, and trying to tie them together.

Let's name the best fighters from each weight class.

 

A sliding scale?

Physical advantages can give someone an advantage to a certain degree.

But a few inches in height, and a few pounds in weight, aren't going to be enough to overcome an opponent, who has all-round better skills, and a significant advantage in speed.

 

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And to think, when Ali had his boxing license revoked he was only 25!! One could say that we never witnessed "prime" Ali!!

My own personal view of Ali fighting each of the three mentioned would be as follows:

Ali at the best we saw of him, which may not have been his prime Vs "prime" Vitali (Vitali who fought Lewis). Ali wins a unanimous decision in the order of 118-110. Prime Viali is a h2h nightmare for most heavyweights, but not Ali! Ali's sheer speed and skill (not mention underrated power) were such that he made greatly under appreciated fighters like Liston, who was the Tyson of his age, look pathetic in comparison.

Now, I'm not comparing Liston to Vitali, but in all honesty, Vitali simply does not possess sufficient of anything to beat a granite chinned great like Ali. Ali simply outclasses a game Vitali, who loses nothing in defeat!

Of course, one could counter that Ali was dropped by Cooper, but when we are talking "primes" we aren't talking about a great fighter clowning about and getting tagged, we are talking about that fighter bringing their "A" game!

Ali vs prime Wlad is even easier to call!! Ali via tko.

Wlad's suspect chin make him an easier h2h match up than his brother (though both are tough in that respect). And if anyone believes that Wlad could outbox Ali, then please leave now!! Wlad could not stop or ko Ali, and he certainly could not outbox Ali, so how could he win? He could not is the simple answer!

Ali would be fully aware of Wlad's deficiencies and fight at a fast tempo (which Ali could do easily in his prime) that would have Wlad dazzled and dazed by the mid rounds. A befuddled and bruised Wlad leaves an opening, gets dropped and gamely gets to his feet (as he always does). Wlad gets dropped again and is stopped.

Ali vs Lewis (A scared, worried Lewis which was when Lennox was at his best) is a much more difficult fight to call!!

Lewis is one of only two all-time great heavyweights who I believed possessed the necessary skills to (possibly) defeat Ali. But ultimately I do feel that "The Greatest" wins a titanic tussle by very close (115-113) decision.

The reason I have this fight so close is that I feel that Lennox does well in the early rounds.

The bottom line: Ali (imo) beats all three.

 

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This!!!

It's not worth "debating" this with newbie fruit cake boxing fans.

These same people think that heavyweight boxing only began as a sport in 2000!!

****ing slow-assed Klitschkos beating Ali?? Each of those two would need an extra pair of arms to beat Ali!!

Prime Vitali could not beat old man Lewis..Fact!! And prime Vitali was far more dangerous h2h than his glass chinned brother who has never beat a memorable heavyweight!

It's not the Kiltschkos' fault that they reign in an era where their opponents are so shite!! But if they should be grateful!

 

Delusion overload. Uhm, Peter was at least 2 inches taller, 50 lbs heavier, and vastly more powerful. Check out Frazier's ko ration against HW's 215 and higher. Considerably lower ratio than feathfisted Chris Byrd. And I love that you didn't even bother to deny that you'd ridicule WK for beating a magically transported Frazier, operating under a different identity but same record (against people weighing the same the he beat).

 

The delusions and irrationality here is off the charts. Did you ever pass a math class in your life?

 

Let me translate your mindless rubbish. "We don't have any facts or rational arguments, so we're call you a "newbie", use cool smilies, and laugh at you.