Benny Leonard's acknowledged to be one of the all-time greats

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  1. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Aside from his stats, what made Benny so special?
     
  2. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ray Arcel said Leonard's "mental energy surpassed anyone else's," including Ray Robinson.

    Benny would teach youngsters that they had to think in the ring, talk to themselves (interntally), to constantly think.

    Arcel said Benny watched even when two beginnings spar because "one of them might do something by accident" that he could incorporate into his game.

    According to an account Arcel told, the first time Leonard met Gene Tunney he interrupted Tunney's workout and told him how to beat Greb: that Tunney would never have success with the right hand to Greb's head, but that he could land at will bringing it under to hit Greb in the heart -- a tactic Tunney used successfully.

    In short, Leonard's boxing IQ was what set him apart.
     
  3. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Very Savvy, Sp
     
  4. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He fought and beat great fighters, champions and top contenders of every imaginable style. And he did it over and over again. Nobody got denied their shot at the great Leonard. Plus he stopped so many fighters who had never been stopped before and never would be again.

    He stopped durable, rough n tumble brawlers like Rocky Kansas and Ever Hammer.

    He beat defensive boxers like Freddie Welsh and Johnny Dundee.

    He beat aggressive boxers like Joe Mandot.

    He beat clever stylists like Jack Britton and Willie Ritchie.

    He beat crippling punchers like Charlie White.

    He beat difficult southpaws like Lew Tendler.
     
  5. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    KILLER response, SB...ya really know your stuff
     
  6. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Benny leonard was so highly esteemed by other boxers that when he trained at Stillman,s
    gym,while sparring all other boxers would stop what they were doing just to look at the master,the incomparable Benny Leonard...My dad would tell me this...Leonard in his 7 year reign beating the greatest lightweight contenders, ducked no one....He was a killer when riled...For example he fought the top black lightweight Leo Johnson from Harlem
    who did the unthinkable to Leonard. After the ref's instructions in the first round Leo Johnson intentionally mussed up Leonard's brilliantine hair ...Leonard prided himself that in all his prime bouts his hair remained perfectly combed. So Leonard promptly flattened
    Leo Johnson in the very first round...Leonard did not have the height advantage that the alomost 6 ft tall Ray Robinson had, for Benny was only 5ft5" tall. But he was a master boxer,and thinker, who was also a deadly accurate 2 handed puncher to boot....He was truly an immortal...
     
  7. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    His ability to think on his feet. I believe he was hurt to the body by Lew Tendler and Benny had the presence of mind to complain that the blow was low. It bought Leonard a few seconds, thats all a well conditioned champion needs to recover.

    I believe Benny Leonard raised the level of the game as not many have before. He influenced an entire generation of boxers. Leonard put it all together.
     
  8. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I like leonard and love arcel but I can't really add anything to this:deal:good
     
  9. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :deal:good
     
  10. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He has such a ****ed up stance. I just want to put that out there. It is a transitional mix of the old fencing style boxing and a more common one. Reminds me of Vitali's stance. He made it work. Very economical fighter, a mechanic like Moore.

    Leonard is growing on me like no other, though. I believe he is the best ever lightweight. He deserves to be called that.
     
  11. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're a very savvy fan, S
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Arguably the ultimate find-a-way-fighter. Certainly when he met Freddie Welsh for the title in a no-decision bout it was harder to think of a tougher assignment for any lightweight -- he had to knock Welsh out to lift the title. Winning every round wouldn't do it. Welsh had never been stopped and never would be stopped again. So Leonard just ups and stops him, like it was mealwork. Then, he himself, never hid behind that rule. When it was "only" the NWS decision against Tendler the first time, he sets up a proper rematch. He just found a way to win, regardless.
     
  13. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hard to square the genial, pudgy, balding little man that I talked to at Stillman's with the ring general that stopped so many tough nuts, Mc
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, he kind of plays into the hands of the guys who want to claim the old-timers are inferior because Benny just flat out doesn't - didn't - look like a fighter. Or the modern western idea of a boxer. But he was just as hard as anyone else that steps in the ring. He's right, right up there in that respect.
     
  15. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ya nailed it, Mc. Remember how it always tickled me, surrounded by hard-case street fighters, with eaves of scar tissue 'n cauliflower ears, Benny delighted in talkin' Yiddish to the push cart peddlers he grew up with on the lower East Side of N.Y.