Lara needs greater strength and conditioning?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by RafaelGonzal, Jun 9, 2013.


  1. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lara fought a good fight last night. He showed really good movement and that's an improvement over his last fight with Vanes. He was never one of my favorite fighters but I call **** the way I see it and I was pleasantly surprised with his performance last night. I think he stands a good chance with any fighter at 154, bar none.
     
  2. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Lara got stronger 'n had more stamina, would that make him box differently, RG?
     
  3. JM22

    JM22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  4. theflyest

    theflyest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Angulo is competitive and knocks down everybody. Why should Angulo all of sudden just get dominated? Do people think he's washed up because of the Kirkland fight?
     
  5. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Lara is top notch thing is he's always struggled with good pressure fighters like Molina and Angulo. Lara would of got ko'd by Angulo pre-detention. Matter of fact, he was about to get ko'd by this lesser version of Angulo. Great fight either way. Lara was throwing everything plus the kitchen sink at him. Props to both fighters especially Angulo whom I didn't think would last 5, but he's a gritty fighter.
     
  6. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Hey theflyest :good

    * The two best people Angulo have fought, were Kirkland and Cintron. Cintron dealt with Angulo without too much trouble, and Kirkland almost killed him. That was a prime Angulo.

    Since the Kirkland mugging, and the detention center bit, he has looked completely and utterly abysmal. Have you seen his recent fights?

    Someone with speed and skills to go with that speed should have what it takes to deal with someone like Angulo without getting beat up and knocked down.

    Ok, if Lara pitching a showcase against him is too strong, then at the very very least, he shouldn't have been given so much trouble, let alone knocked down twice.



    Angulo simply isn't that good. His best win is against a Rosado who had 12 wins at the time. A cintron that was demolished by Margarito (a real beast) dealt with him the way a top tier fighter should (and Cintron wasn't elite.... Angulo is lucky hes never fought an elite fighter)

    That Lara couldn't deal comfortably with an obviously faded version of an already basic Angulo, while holding a styles advantage, says to me at least that he lacks the goods.

    I will say though, that prior to the 2nd knockdown, for a brief moment, it seemed like Angulo was starting to come back to his form. His punches were starting to flow a bit better. If he continues to get his form back in his next fight then Ill take back my belief that hes ready for the taking. But even at his best, Angulo is not true champion material. As much as I like him (and I do)

    However,
    * Maybe Im being too hard on Lara, and on Angulo as well? Maybe both are better then Im giving them credit for
    * Maybe Lara improves because of this


    But as of right now, just imo
    - Angulo is near done, and is ready to be taken
    - Lara isn't the goods
    - 154 is weak right now



    That all being said, none of this is personal against the fighters nor dampens any enthusiasm I have for their future fights.

    Both guys put on a good fight for us fans, both showed good heart, good efforts, and I hope to see both in meaningful matches in the near future.
     
  7. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I do think you're being a bit too hard on Angulo. He was outclassing Kirkland pretty easily and imo the ONLY reason Kirkland won that fight or was even able to be competitive is because Angulo expended EVERYTHING he had trying to get him out of there. Boxing 101 and Angulo failed the test, he had nothing left in the tank after his wild eternal flurry trying to get the spectacular finish.

    Lara either gets smarter because of this, or maybe he shows permanent damage. He took a TON of damage.
     
  8. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    Lara lost 3 rounds and didn't have a mark on his face. He was no where near being stopped. When knocked down he was hit right on the chin and recovered by the time the fight resumed.
     
  9. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Kirk, I won't quote everything for the sake of keeping the thread compact, but I agree with pretty much your entire stance here.

    I don't view Lara as elite, but as a very good fighter who showed excellent toughness and will getting the victory last night. Angulo shouldn't have had nearly as much success against him as he did. I also thought it was a showcase fight that his team took for the sole purpose of raising his stock so he could be a viable option against the cash cows around the weight.

    Although he got the win, I don't think he raised his stock the way he or his fans planned on. Nothing against him, this is just a case where getting the win wasn't enough if he was gunning for a big money fight.
     
  10. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not a mark on his face, but half his ribs were shattered :nut

    Let's not pretend you saw a different fight than the one that actually happened.
     
  11. garfios

    garfios Dark Lord Full Member

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    Dammed if he box, dammed if he fights, Angulo was in the best shape of his life and didn't gas out, he was 10 pounds heavier than Lara and that made a big diference on top of that the ring was made for Maidana, a brawler not for Lara a boxer, he will kick the $h1t out Canelo and any other 154, and last night Angulo could had kick the $h1t out any 154 pounder not named Lara, Canelo would had being ko in the first knock down.
     
  12. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    Amen
     
  13. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Please GTFOH with that bull$hit! :lol:

    I'm not part of any group of posters here. I barely even come on here anymore until a fight night. Just because I, like all the judges, recognize that fights are scored on a round by round basis, doesn't mean I have some agenda.


    Even with those two 10-8 rounds, and the fact that he had Lara out on his feet (and couldn't finish him) Lara still came back and won almost all of the other rounds.


    You seem way to biased if you think everyone who disagrees with you didn't watch the fight. You really sound ridiculous!
     
  14. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    those body shots were starting to pay off for angulo. lara was not able to move as much and angulo was starting to land a lot more of heavy blows. i wouldn't be surprised if lara had taken the knee in the 11th had the injury not happened.
     
  15. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yes he would be more in command of his movements be a lot sharper his legs would be stronger and it would provide a good base to shoot his shots hard and fast with stamina to spare.

    Instead he was unsteady on his pins and gassing and rolling around winded from the clumsy pressure Angulo was providing. Angulo was just basicly wading in and throwing arm punches. Lara had the skills he didn't have the strength or endurance to consistently tag and move

    Im just stating my point of view and sharing to see if anyone else picked up on it its just my hypothesis and I could be wrong.