Brendan ingle as a trainer

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Johnny has a nice spindly build, but is far from athletic. He is a taught fighter, not a natural one. Not sure I've seen anyone near as successful who had such trouble putting punches together in fluid motion, apart from a few crude power punchers.

Most anyone else trains Nelson and I suspect none of us ever would have learned who he was, much less remembered him fondly.

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Go and watch the Ruddiger May fight and tell me Johnny Nelson doesn't know how to punch.To remain in the game until the age of 37 and still be world champion speaks volumes of Nelson's athletism,the guy looked like he was chiseled out of stone and was as well schooled as they come.What the **** is a natural fighter?

Nobody is born to fight some are just more suited to it than others

 

A few myths being peddled on here. There are complex lines painted on the gym floor that are designed to teach footwork - they are actually patented. These lines certainly weren't painted by Herol Graham!

As for Naz - John Ingle did a lot with him, amateur corners, pads as a pro - but Brendan trained him every day.

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"Great man. Great trainer"

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"More suited to it" translates in some cases to athleticism.

Nelson's punches did not flow naturally. I've watched him many times and looked at some video to refresh my memory -- and you can almost see him think through every punch. He is awkward, but mechanically so.

Watch a more athletically gifted fighter -- let's use an easy example and say Floyd Mayweather -- throw a three-punch combo and see how it flows. Then watch Nelson and see how, I don't know how to describe it, choppy maybe, he is.

I don't consider Nelson to be a gifted athlete. I think Ingle helped him maximize what he had, but I don't think he was more than average as an athlete.

That doesn't take away from his conditioning -- you say he was chiseled, that is a product of hard work, not athleticism, as even the most athletic person can get fat if he doesn't train; you say he was well-schooled, and that's what I am saying. But a person with the most average of athletic ability can be well-schooled. You say he fought well into his later years, but that doesn't make him a great athlete, it speaks to durability and, again, training.

Naz, on the other hand, was a natural athlete. That's how and why he could barely train and still compete at the world-class level: God-given power, reflexes, etc. If Johnny Nelson had Naz's training habits he'd have been run out of the ring.

Athleticism is the gifts a fighter was born with, and I rate Nelson as most average in this regard -- yes he was lanky and had good reach, but his coordination and such wasn't special IMO.

We can agree to disagree.

 

Brendan is a top fella.I lived up from the gym as a boy and went Saturday mornings for training.
Brendan was not only a trainer but a social worker and father figure to a lot of us kids.
A Sheffield legend

 

I am not a fan of Brendan Ingle as a trainer but I guess his training works for some! Not my cup of tea though!

 

theres a good doc on youtube about him and herol graham

like a lot of said it showed his involvement with the community local kids etc

edit - ***********.youtube.com/watch?v=CpMHjibGcSk

some funny 1 liners in it also worth a watch

 

By far the most important thing he has done, is his work in the community. He also has a way of finding exceptional talents. And to a level, he was an excellent trainer.

 

There's a reason the orthodox style developed over a period of 200 years. And it's not because it's better to **** about 'bamboozling' opponents by switch hitting and throwing punches from 'impossible' angles.

All his fighters get found out at the top level (and some way before that, I'm looking at you superbad ). And that's a fact.

 

Which world title fight did Hamed lose whilst Brendan was training him?

Nelson retired an unbeaten world champion for 5 and a half years.

Just because you write "fact" doesn't make it true.

 

I think Johnny Nelson retired world champion aswell after going unbeaten for nearly 10 years under Ingle.

 

A Dublin legend.

 

graham,hamed,Rhodes,nelson,brook......plus many more at lesser levels.....outside London.How many stables can match that?

 

The stats dont lie yes he teaches an awkward style but he is the most successful trainer in the UK and is probably the only trainer that has been able to take a number of fighters right through from the amateur code right through to world titles, doing it consistently.

Greatest trainer this country has produced

 

Witter also won a world title as did "Silky" Jones who he trained for years - plus many European champs such as Thaxton, McIntosh.
Kid Galahad will be another world champ.

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