Angulo, the reason he could absorb that punishment

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  1. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I keep saying it and some people don't believe me. What did we see different?
    He still comes forward blocking punches with his face. His head movement is none. Footwork just allow him to move following his prey. Do you really believe Virgil is better than Nacho?
    No, what really changed was his stamina. Making 153 today and almost 175 tomorrow. And all that magic poison that Conte carries around.
    Victor Conte deserves all the credit.
     
  2. Real-G

    Real-G Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fighter are creature of habit, its going to take some hr in the gym to change Angulo style and this being only his second or first fight with Virgil its going to take some time.

    He defiantly improved from his fight with James Kirkland and second Lara is a excellent counter puncher, if not for the accident of getting his orbital broken you and everyone else would be sining a different tone right now.

    Let what happens over next year if he returns two fight with new trainer is still too early to see any real results.
     
  3. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You missed my point.
    Of course you won't change his style. PEDs don't give you skills. It improves your strength ,your stamina. That's about it. Any other fighter last Saturday would've been exposed to a huge,resilient and heavy puncher angulo,still limited on his skills.
    The accident? What accident? Lara landing 56% of his power punches on his face? You call that an accident?
     
  4. Real-G

    Real-G Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Aww man roids really? what proof ?

    Angulo has never been a defensive fighter by any stretch of the imagination, Kirkland connect percentage may have been higher the lara when he fought angulo. which is why Angulo sought the help of Virgil, to help improve his stamina and defense..

    As far Roid? I see no need to go there, Angulo need to improve his defense and this my work out for him .. But with the injury to his eye it may be too late or it mean he has no choice but to learn to be a better defensive fighter.
     
  5. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You keep saying it, but you are obviously clueless.

    What did you see different? FOOTWORK and a decision to use VOLUME not POWER. Get it? Are there areas to improve? Yes. Jab. Head movement. Still, this fight should not hav been this close.

    If you think that footwork was just allowing him to follow Lara YDKSAB. :deal

    I guess that is why Lara was on the verge of collapsing from exhaustion.
     
  6. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ok, I'll give you the footwork. Based on his balance and the capacity of cut the ring.
    But remember the Kirkland fight. He did the same just for 120 mins. Then he faded. Kirkland wasn't landing because he's so fast and angulo so slow. He was landing because angulo could barely lift his arms. Angulo just went down like WK went down against Brewster.
    Lara was landing almost at will. Against a completely renovated Angulo. Against a 175 lbs non stop machine. Is Lara a huge puncher? No, but he carry enough power to discourage any comers.
    Virgil didn't do ****. Conte did.
     
  7. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lara is the type of guy that dominates a division. He is, like you said, balanced plus gifted. He has ring IQ, speed, power, footwork. He is the total package. IMHO, Lara was EXPECTED to land at will. He was also expected to turn him, clinch, keep distance, escape, and most importantly DODGE BIG SHOTS at will.

    Angulo isn't the guy that will dominate a division by himself. He needs a great trainer, i.e., tactics. Also, stylistically Pressure fighters often are crushed by Boxer Punchers. Frazier/Foreman. Angulo needs a guy like Hill to teach him to stay calm and just work the RIGHT plan until it comes into fruition. The tactical change was EVIDENT.

    Why can't you guys see this? Angulo never loaded up unless he cornered Lara. Even then he ONLY went to the LIVER. Even muscling Lara left to repeated throw liver shots. He threw sweeping hooks once Lara got tired and was attempting to lean back while escaping. He would then immediately start to backpedal to give Lara only half of the ring and repeat the process. Lara was beginning to run out of gas.

    I just don't believe Conte did anything like you spoke of. He would be up ****'s creek without a paddle. Fed time. He had to know the human body in and out to do what he did in the first place. The guy stuck to what he knew and is doing it above board now.

    If you want to just say, "I am Cuban and Lara is God!" Fine. Don't make this a Boxing discussion and pretend not see the tactical synergy of Angulo and Hill.
     
  8. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I didn't say Lara is god. I said angulo was juiced.
    Follow the conversation . Your derailing the meaning of it.
    I know Lara's flaws, better than you.
     
  9. kirk

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    Can use any excuse you want, theres no way this fight should have been this rough for Lara.

    I will never understand why fans need to try and make the fighters they like out to be more then they are.

    Increased stamina or not, Angulo is plodding, slow, predictable, easy to hit and as basic as they come. He has two things, chin, and power.

    Lara shouldn't have had the problems he did.

    Hes not nearly as good as you think.
     
  10. strongarm

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    Wrong. Lara simply does not possess enough to hurt Angulo with one punch. Angulo has always had a good chin. Cintron couldn't hurt him, at a time when he looked like a monstrous puncher.
     
  11. conraddobler

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    You don't think Victor Conte is ... a bit of a marked man at this point?

    Lara looks mediocre so accuse the other guy of taking magic pills from a magic medicine man that evidently make him big and strong but don't protect his eye?
     
  12. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who the hell said you said that? You follow the conversation. Lara fought a great fight. Angulo fought a great fight. Why are you tarnishing it with PED BS?
    How in the hell cutting off the ring equates to juicing seems to escape you. Juice all you want. You can't cut off the ring on a guy of Lara's level unless you have the skill. Adding a nutritionist and top level trainer just might also change the nature/results of your camp.

    Also, being in the middle of one of the largest federal PED busts and a known RAT might make it a little difficult to operate in that world. Doubly so if you are right in plain view of the authorities.

    This is so weaksauce. :lol:

    Whatever you "know", you seem to not be able to process much. :blood
     
  13. bald_head_slick

    bald_head_slick Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Dude, if Angulo was the old Angulo he would not have done this well. Angulo + Hill cut off the ring wonderfully and ONLY used power when they cornered Lara and ONLY to the body. Specifically the LIVER. Angulo + Hill formed a synergy to put Angulo into a fight that he should have had no chance in. Footwork, patience, and pacing where key and improved.

    Lara is as good as we though he was. Nobody will EVER pressure Lara at 154 like Angulo did. Nobody. Lara fell, got up, and got right back to business. The kid is the goods.

    Both men raised their stock.
     
  14. Leonit

    Leonit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't get why Virgil is taking fighters that don't suit the style he has developed with Ward. Angulo should of went to train with Garcia who is good with come forward fighters. Nacho works best with cerebral fighters. Virgil I guess we'll see if he has another top level fighter. Angulo made a mistake hiring both of them and his career is probably over now. It doesn't matter though he is going to make more money in Hollywood playing the Mexican villain
     
  15. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    (((If you want to just say, "I am Cuban and Lara is God!" Fine. Don't make this a Boxing discussion and pretend not see the tactical synergy of Angulo and Hill.)))

    Short time memory.
    But I won't get in a wrestling battle of words with you.
    Most people here were blasting Pac for working with Ariza, Marquez for working with memo, Donaire for working with Conte... I guess angulo is ok.