for fans under 30: what's your opinion of SRR?

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  1. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    SRR's punches were "amateurish"?....Think there's too much fluoride in South Florida's water, F.
     
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  2. Jake_Lamotta

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    How do you think he would of done again charley burley JG? srr was an all round beast for sure had everything! he reminds me abit of joe louis (stance wise/punch technique) except he was alot faster with both hand and feet and loved 2 dance around his opponents!
     
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  3. melo9100

    melo9100 Active Member Full Member

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    Overrated H2H. The fact that he fought more than once a month tells me all that I need to know. For his era p4p #1 , I agree. But theres no proof that he would be that good in modern times. He was most likely fighting bums. As opposed to guys who train, and study their opponent for 3 months for a single fight.
     
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  4. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Underrated P4P power and a great chin. Maybe one of the greatest combination punchers too. Deserves all the praise he gets from his glory days, he was the best.
     
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  5. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    One of the greatest fighters of all time if not the greatest.
     
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  6. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    These were my thoughts 'bout Burley VS. SRR, JL:

    When great fighters are discussed, invariably Charley Burley's name is mentioned. Yet few fans have ever seen him. I did.

    It was only one fight, and it was on tape – somewhere’s between ‘44 and ‘46, at the tail end of his career, so I don't know if it's the best indicator of how good he was ... but it probably gives some sense of his style.

    His opponent was "Oakland" Billy Smith (later to become “Boardwalk” Billy Smith, when he courted Atlantic City fans) ... and I believe it was at light heavyweight. (Burley fought Smith twice, and won two decisions.)
    The tape was in black-&-white – no sound, just titles to indicate the round numbers. But, for something dubbed many times, it was pretty clear … didn't have that quick-stutter look that old-time footage has shot at silent-camera speed. __

    First off, Burley didn't look more than a blown-up welter – not physically imposing, and certainly in comparison to Smith, who had Hagler muscles, was much taller, with a much longer wingspan, Burley looked over-matched.

    Burley was clearly from an earlier era. His hair was slicked down and parted in the middle, like the pictures of Greb and Mickey Walker. His stance could have come right off the cover of the Police Gazette -- palms facing him, not sideways, as we're used to seeing now. It had that John L. Sullivan look.

    The only thing missing to complete the picture were those skin-tight, knee-length trunks with the tied silk sash hanging down. Burley was almost an anachronism. Smith looked no different than a modern fighter.

    Burley moved well and circled in the pocket, but his stance resembled Max Schmeling's against Joe Louis, with his head appearing to be forward but all his weight and body back on his right foot. He would sucker Smith into believing he was within range, to draw a right hand, then counter over the top.

    Burley was a precision puncher but threw few of them; every one counted. In ten rounds, he never threw a combination – only one punch at a time. Never fought inside or against the ropes. He darted-in, punched and quickly held and smothered Smith.

    Burley bided his time till he could fire that sniper-of-a-right, and rarely followed it with a left. His right was straight-as-a-level – seemed to have some pop ... and never missed. But, what was apparent after a few rounds – and this was against a fighter that looked like he had pretty good skills – Burley was un-hittable. He didn't even make elusive moves. He was just not touched by anything.

    He did everything he wanted to, and either had lost his zest for battle or was such a consummate pro, he did what he had to do to win and not much more.

    Off this fight, I could see how Burley had the tools to win most all his fights, but he'd certainly not be a crowd-pleaser. He was strictly a tactician, and no fighter or manager would want any part of him.

    It would be impossible to look good against Burley ... even if you won; and Burley's style wouldn't bring fans out. So I can understand why it was tough for him to get fights. Promoters wouldn't book him. After viewing this fight, I think it wasn't so much Burley's color that held him back, but his lack of it in the ring.

    Though I'm sure both Robinson and his people were leery of facing Burley, even in the twilight of his career, if I had to hazard a guess as to who would’ve prevailed in their primes, I'd say Robinson, two out of three. In a single fight, it's dicey. Burley was very cagey and might have been a tough nut for Robinson to crack … the first time.

    But Robinson was far more diversified offensively; his combinations were very flashy and explosive, and would not only catch the eyes of the judges but excite the fans and affect the scoring. Burley was sweet but "Sugar" was sweeter.
     
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  7. mafioso

    mafioso Well-Known Member Full Member

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    defenitly the greatest left hook of all time the guy started at 135 and was knocking middleweigt with a single punch he is a beast GOAT anybody who argue with that is an ignorant ;)

    when i think about the fact that there is no video footage of this guy in his prime its scary.
     
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  8. Back Hand Slap

    Back Hand Slap Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I believe he is the greatest after reading extensive facts about him, and viewing videos of his viscious, fluent style, which encompassed everything. A pure boxer puncher....
    poetry in motion.
     
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  9. Ivan Drago

    Ivan Drago You Will Lose. Full Member

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    Watched a documentary on him the other night, I love watching the guy outstanding in all departments.

    Here's a clip of Robinson that I like to watch:

    ****s://youtube.googleapis.com/v/Q4eTzPo-VvE&hl=en&fs=1?ytsession=V68pANQdFZPosIJMNHek1aS3n2-ZHNiYVIm73dipUdguPDl2d5QIgTcUWwVHydEsVv5MU6PkUg6YvBQef5K1O1mJTW83Fa0smVmVI9rBhxsDV_2SgzUSdqavmJIdr00jZSDoDI32B2fq9kM-bQojPw

    Just watching the guy tells you all you need to know and the clip highlights a lot about what was great about him as a fighter,

    • The speed, power and ferocity shown at 0:15
    • The chin he shows after he eats a huge right at 0:49
    • That body shot at 1:00 shows his outrageous power which he had in both hands and the ability to pick the right shot
    • The poise and ability to finish an opponent off at 1:17
    • In the second fight the body work is brutal the guy is dragged back to his corner.
    • That slow-mo combination at 4:20 is something I could watch all day.

    I don't believe anyone could live with this guy in his prime.
     
    Ivan Drago, Jun 11, 2013
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  10. DrX

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    i seen HLs....imo hes overrated skillwise...he hits hard and was super fast

    but i somebody that would make him think, would give him problems
     
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  11. brown-bomber

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    He also fought lineal division champions, going up divisions to fight them. Giving 10-15lbs maybe more if the other fighter hydrated after.

    Overrated H2H? I tell you who do well in H2H fights, fighters with great speed and power. Put together too. Like, for instance, LW- Duran. WW- Leonard, Hearns. RJJ. Ali. Tyson.

    SRR had an abundance of the attributes that are easier to measure.

    You're talking about studying for a fighter who is the complete package?
    What you gonna do, outbox him? Nah, too fast, too fluid.
    Brawl him, guy has a great chin and great power.
    Outwork him? He didn't really get tired.
    I could go on, but it doesn't really matter if people don't buy into him on an Internet forum. Pretty much all boxing journalists, historians rate him as the best. Did you see the recent ESPN article about him vs mayweather?
    All very unanimous.
     
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  12. captain hook

    captain hook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I saw his videos on youtube and its one of my favs. Boxer with great feeling for fight, nice ring movement, hard punches, chin, great KOs.. His personal life was also interesting

    i would like to see more his videos and fights but there is too little on youtube.
     
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  13. Leonit

    Leonit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl
     
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  14. Stilt Skinner?

    Stilt Skinner? Active Member Full Member

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    Ali? maybe as a HW it's him or Louis(Resume or Longevity), goat is between SRR, Armstrong, Greb, and Langford imo anyway.
     
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  15. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No; him, not Ali. Not even close.
     
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