Why Is SRR Commonly Ranked Ahead of Harry Greb?

What sources besides a Rochester AP report and a Canadian newspaper have you read for this fight. Show me yours and I'll show you mine. The ref threatened to disqualify him? The same ref that Greb was warned about prior to entering the ring? Who Greb had been notified by people in the know that if Greb danced and boxed in his leaping style (which Tunney had no success dealing with) that he would be disqualified? That ref? I hope you arent naive enough to believe that boxing isnt an occasional cesspool where the officials are often up for grabs to the highest bidder or influenced by the fact that the local boy is "supposed" to win at home.

 

Before this all drags on shouldnt we just refer people to your earlier post where all of this was hashed out once before?

 

again

 

I was waiting for someone to bring him up . Yes, I do. Not a very rugged one, though. Nor was Rocky Graziano, whom Robby also stopped.

Put SRR in with a strong, rugged MW and he struggled greatly every time out.

 

I think we can all agree on this. You can't beat watching a fight for yourself. But at the same time, when we can't we can usually get a pretty good idea as to what happened by what the majority of experts say, especially in this case. I'm sure you can agree on that.

 

I'll concede that. To be fair here are the guys other than Ray who stopped him: Archie Moore, Pat McMurty, Jose Torres and Doug Jones. The all time Kayo King, a light heavyweight champ, and some guys who would be cruisers today. Maybe not rugged but fairly durable.

 

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Also, could you name the Brooklyn and Staten Island papers which you claim back your opinion as well as their articles writers names and the dates of publication?

W C Vreeland
Brooklyn NY Daily Eagle
FEBRUARY 24. 1923.

That decision would have made daniel blink his eyes with surprise
and would have caused Solomon to call out his guards.
It will go, down in rlng history with the decision wyatt erp gave In, San Francisco when he awarded a fight to Tom Sharkey over Bob Fitzsimmons
.No man was more"'surprised over; the decision than was Tunney. I was
sitting In his corner when joe Humphreys, the announcer, after looking at
the written decisions of the judges, said:, "A new. light heavyweight champion—Gene Tunney.". in that manner Humphreys announced the winner. a look of complete surprise passed over Tunney's face for about about 15 seconds it did not dawn upon him that he was the champion, -Then his lips broke into a smile. According to my records of the rounds i gave 8 to greb 3 to Tunney and 4 even


THE BROOKLYN STANDARD UNION FEBRUARY 24. 1923.
Decision Shock to Many Fans Who Held Belief Greb Deserved Honors
Gene didn't whip Greb. The judges declared he did, and their decision must be accepted as official. A count of the rounds showed Greb In front in nine of them.
To the unbiased spectators the decision came as a distinct
shock and some nasty rumors were circulated in its wake. The
fact that more money was wagered on the result of this tussle
than any that has been fought in this city in more than a year
gave the gossip dispensers plenty of material to work with,
and they made the best of their chance.

 

Who was Greb's greatest rival? Tunney, who outboxed Greb about 3-4 times.

Now who was SRR greatest rival? Lamotta, who got whooped 5 times by SRR.

Harry Greb isn't "greater" then SRR, sorry old timers...it is YOU people who are delusional. Harry Greb wasn't even the biggest name in his time. That has to go to Jack Dempsey.

 

One of the greatest debates on Greb-Tunney was between Klomps and Old Fogey. It appeared in this thread, starting on page 6:

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It's great because it shows what happens when long held beliefs are challenged and ultimately trumped by modern research (which has punctured a lot of age old myths). Old Fogey fights hard to hang onto that old discredited info despite the hurricane of primary source info being tossed into his face.

A good poster and a nice guy, but sometimes you gotta know when to throw in the towel.

 

Have you even bothered to read what has been posted in this thread? If so you wouldn't still be repeating this myth.

Not a very strong argument. Almost as bad as your "Greb should have fought more in NY" argument.

You really need to learn more about Greb. And based on your "LaMotta got WHOOPED 5 times by SRR" comment, you need to learn more about SRR too. LaMotta was not "whooped" in all 5 of those bouts. It takes a bit more research than a perfunctory Boxrec perusal to know what the real story is/was.

 

My arguments are fine because there is NO footage of Greb. NONE of him in an actual boxing match. You weren't there when he fought, were you? Just sounds more and more like you can't accept the fact that Gene Tunney was a great great boxer, and outboxed Greb. There is a reason why he was 80-1 in that tough era, because he was a better boxer then Greb and protected himself better. Hell, even Gene Tunney is greater than Greb (lol) and your gonna boast that Greb was better then SRR?

- SUGAR KILLS BABY!

 

And yes, I said it. Gene Tunney is greater then Harry Greb!

 

Just glanced at your profile and posting history. A General Forum poster. All of your posts here make perfect sense now.

Good luck.

 

You've said a lot of things, most of them ridiculous. When you're ready to have an intelligent debate and actually ADDRESS the points made (like in post #79), then let me know. Otherwise all you're doing is cheerleading and adolescent posturing.