Don't like the way David Haye's career has turned out

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by rainmaker, Jun 20, 2013.


  1. rainmaker

    rainmaker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When he came on the scene, he looked a young, hungry dangerous fighter with ambition, to clean up cruiserweight which he had done, and then become a world heavyweight champion which he also did. But what really frustrates me about David Haye, is that somewhere along the line (or perhaps this was the long term game plan all along?) his sole reason for fighting seem to be for nothing more than money.

    But money is a big part of being a successful fighter, yes that is true, but what happened to building a career and leaving a legacy? Taking on dangerous hungry mandatory challengers and going after the other belt holders and being in good memorable fights. You can't begrudge him his fame, or his success in the ring, but you can question his ambition, his motive for being in boxing, and he knows by talking the talk, and saying the right things, or even the wrong things, will build and peak interest in a proposed fight. We lap it up, because we either want to see him fall, or back up his talk and do what Lennox did and take on all comers and adding to his resume.

    He's obviously a clever guy and so is Adam Booth, and to the casuals they love to see knockouts, they love trash talk and domestic match ups. Everybody loved the Eubank Benn fights. It gets the entire nation talking and that interest of course translates in to cash. David has had his share of domestic clashes against rivals, Enzo Mac, Audley Harrison, Dereck Chisora and now there is talk of Tyson Fury.

    There are very contradictory things coming out of camp Haye. He wants to show the world he is a world class fighter, but yet seems content to mix it in domestic class. Calls out the likes of the Klit brothers only to then make a fight with Fury (If it gets signed which looks like it probably will) At this stage of Haye's career he really doesn't need Fury, like he didn't need Audley and how he didn't need Chisora. As I said these fights are an easy sell to joe public so the fights get made, fair enough.

    Why has he not stepped in with guys like Povetkin, and other dangerous contenders? Because as a boxing fan, I would like to see such match ups. As fun as those domestic clashes are, I would like to see Haye go fight in America, or back in Germany even, Russia perhaps. He used to go fight in other fighter's backyards down at Crusierweight and the man won my respect. That night in Paris when he took out Mormeck for example.

    He signed to fight Charr and you thought nice, ok getting back in the mix, there could be an interesting route to Vitali or even rematch with Wlad, get through Charr, maybe fight Povektin if he won those in style, then call out the brothers and there would be big interest.

    What are we now left with? David back in the Domestic circus potentially signing to fight Tyson Bloody Fury, the man who has been put down by non punchers, who was beat by John Mcdermott for god sake. Haye knows just as he did with Audley, it's an easy nights work and the trash talk alone will sell the fight. David will clean up by making a **** load of money, another KO to his name, the casuals will lap it up, then he will disappear for a couple of years again and turn up in a jungle near you.

    I don't know about you guys, but the Hayemaker is fast losing my respect and interest in him. What do you guys make of David's career and choice of opponents at heavyweight? Who would you like to see him in with and do you think he has short changed boxing fans in recent years?
     
  2. stevo78

    stevo78 Active Member Full Member

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    He's never made a secret of the fact he's only interested in money. EVen his fighting style screams of "Don't get hit, I want to be an actor/model/it bloke etc when I retire"
     
  3. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have no qualms with him being motivated by money. A person would be foolish to box without that being a major part of the reason.

    What I dislike is that Haye wants to be SEEN as a fighter and have the FAME of a fighter and the MONEY of a top-flight heavyweight ... but he doesn't want to do what it takes to gain those things, which is FIGHT.

    He TALKED his way into a title shot against Wlad and when he got in the ring he dipped and ducked and ran and FLOPPED ... and blamed his toe.

    Now if you want to grant him the benefit of the doubt, let's say his toe was hurt and that led to his horrible, heartless, FLOPPING performance.

    What a warrior would do, what a TRUE PROFESSIONAL BOXER would do, is get back in the ring as soon as that toe was healed and try to show the world that it was an injury-caused fluke.

    Instead, he fights ONCE IN TWO YEARS against a professional 'opponent' who has never really beaten anyone (although he has had some gutsy performances). And that's it.

    He doesn't just duck ... he disappears.

    And that's fine if he's ready to ride off into the sunset and call it a day, but FLOPPER Haye wants people to treat him like he's still some kind of contender.

    Note to Haye: contenders FIGHT.

    SMFH
     
  4. caligula4

    caligula4 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Haye fights and profits off the casuals these days.
    Quality skills, but he's a businessman before a boxer. Unfortunately he doesn't make much of an effort and is a part-time boxer only interested in loads of cash.
    Could have been in a lot of great international match ups against quality, but he's going to fight Fury.
    Such a waste.
     
  5. Jquik

    Jquik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't like David Haye full stop never mind the way his career has turned out,he is not a fighter.
     
  6. Yeah op is spot on

    If he had the desire and guts of say Ricky burns he could of been a hof star
     
  7. Makingweight

    Makingweight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No doubt it is all about the money with Haye because that is the nature of the game.

    The hunger in him as a fighter went a few years back him & Booth have done very well marketing him to the casuals.
     
  8. Manning

    Manning Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Haye's a genius at ranking in money from thick casuals while serving up 4th rate opponents always has been always will be. He's like an old Texas snake oil sales man. You have to give it to Haye, that's quite the skill. Why shouldn't he become a multi millionaire from ripping of imbeciles who are far too thick to know any better? Fair play to the lad. I mean what's the other option, make the same money but be now walking around with your face scared beyond recognition and slurring your words.

    If we were in Haye's position would we have done the same? I don't know really.
     
  9. Weirdyman

    Weirdyman Active Member Full Member

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    To be fair, it's his call. He's achieved all the goals he set.

    However, I don't think he's cemented a legacy. He's not really beaten anyone at HW who makes you think he's a great. Perhaps that's why he's come back to have one more crack. Would love to see him take a title off the Klitschkos and beat Povetkin on the way.
     
  10. trotter

    trotter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He could've took tougher routes, more punishment, and for what? People would still pick holes in his record like they do to every fighter.

    He'll get out with minimal damage and lots of money and his goals achieved. I'd say he's done the right thing for himself.
     
  11. Macrosity

    Macrosity New Member Full Member

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    Cannot disagree with anything the OP has said. Lost a great deal of respect for Haye when he carried Harrison for 3 pointless rounds before the inevitible KO of someone a champion (as he was then) should never have been in the ring with.
     
  12. Westy78

    Westy78 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Totally agree with the OP
     
  13. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    I think he is keen to get back in with either Klitschko. Vitali does not seem keen. Not sure the likes of Potevkin are keen on facung Haye!
     
  14. TERRYTIBBS

    TERRYTIBBS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is the funniest comments ive ever seen on this site. not a fighter wtf? Hes been boxing since the age of ten mate and has unified won division and won titles in another?
    Hes gone to the lions den to win two of those titles in Germany and France and has won two massive domestic dust ups by knockout.

    You may say the Maccrenelli and Chisora fights were not big fights but you all wanted to see them at the time and if he'd never off foguht these two you would of labelled him a dodger.

    Hes fought the best in the world in each division hes been in and was a very good amateur aswell some people crack me up easy to sit slagging off Haye whilst slugging carling from your armchair puffing on a lambert and butler whilst watching channel 4 racing.
     
  15. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    David Haye was the type of fighter we wished all boxers were. Young, talented, fearless (even after a kd, ko or loss)...

    ...but then the fighter departed and the businessman entered. The antics were upped tenfold and each fight was decided on how it would affect his bank balance. That's why he fought Harrison, that's why he fought Wlad and bottled it, that's why he fought Chisora and that is why he is fighting Fury.

    Great talent, still a very good career but heavyweight Haye is not the same man cruiserweight Haye was.