RJJ V Hearns....MW

Roy Jones KO 4...

Hearns could not deal with that speed and power.

It would be amazing though.

 

Roy should have fought Hearns, G-Man, Eubank, Benn, Calzaghe, Collins, DM, and Lennox Lewis all back to back in that order... Since it didn't happen, that must mean Roy ducked them all.

People love to just throw out names and accuse Jones of ducking without looking at any circumstance whatsoever. Most of these people have no idea how the business of boxing works.

 

You underrate Roy big time man.. Part of me thinks you are just being humorous, but I am not too sure.:huh

 

I understand that he couldn't go for the WBC Title because Benn was WBC Champion and a King fighter and Jones's camp didn't want to give King options, and I understand him not being able to get the WBO Title because Eubank was holding that and he had no interest in the fight, but why couldn't he have unified the WBA Title with his IBF Title?

Jones was IBF Super Middleweight Champion from November 1994 to November 1996. Frankie Liles was WBA Champion from August 1994 to July 1999. And, surely, as Liles was recognized as the Lineal Super Middleweight Champion he would have been in front of Benn and Eubank, considered a bigger challenge if not a bigger name, especially after he beat Little, Nunn and Littles

Were there never any talks for a unification bout between the two? Or did Liles turn him down? Or were the WBA and IBF refusing to allow unification fights? Or was Liles a King fighter as well? Or what?

Not trying to say Jones ducked him, just wondering why unification with Liles wasn't an option.

 

They've no idea at all. Roy did duck/dismiss a few fighters, but that's all. They won't allow for boxing politics and circumstances.

Roy missed all the great fights that Toney had in the early 90's at 160, because his career was going nowhere, until after the split with his Father in 92.

Life consists of circumstances and opportunities.

What bothers me the most, is that when you actually explain something in detail to these guys, instead of taking it on board, they just completely ignore you, and then carry on repeating what they've originally said.

There's lots of posters on here that have 100 x the knowledge that I have on boxing.

I regularly go on the classic forum and educate myself, by reading posts from the likes of John Garfield etc.

I learn something every week on here.

I'm always open to learning new things on here, and in life in general.

But these guys just refuse to take it in. atsch

 

Just ignore that Eric cantona guy he's a blatant troll, join date June 2013 and he's just trying to annoy people about rjj, it's an alt so don't even bother responding to him.

 

Hi mate,

Liles was a great fighter, and I think he would have caused lots of problems for Roy. Roy had his hands full with Eric Harding in 2000, who was a big, tall, southpaw.

Frankie Liles was also a Don King fighter.

I did have a link from 1995, just after Roy had beaten Vinny Paz, and it was an article with statements from Stan Levin, saying that he wouldn't be turning Roy over to Don King to fight Liles and Benn. Stan Levin didn't like King, and the feeling was mutual. Stan wasn't willing to give Don any future options on Roy, and he was very wary of him.

Although despite how Stan felt, I believe that Roy did have brief discussions with Liles for a fight, but nothing came of it.

I don't believe for a second that Roy really wanted to fight Liles and Benn, but I don't think he ducked them, and I think he'd have fought them under different circumstances.

 

Hi mate,

There's loads like him on here. But I can't work out whether they're trolls having fun, or genuine idiots?

I'll just take him to school anyway, it beats shopping with the Mrs.

 

:good

 

Why don't you sit back and have a think on why he'd have been scared of Steve Collins?

Was he a 7ft southpaw?

Was he faster?

Was he more skilled?

Roy beat many fighters who were better than Collins.

Do you really think that if Roy had have been scared of Collins at 168, when he was in his mid 20's, that he'd have ended up going up to HW at 34?


Most people who say that Roy ducked DM are haters, and aren't aware of the facts. Kerry Davis was under a huge amount of pressure to deliver HBO a huge fight for Roy. He went out of his way to try and negotiate with DM's promoter, and proposed a great idea, that was instantly dismissed.

Roy paid Brad Jacobs to have various meeting with Davis to try and make the fight, but DM's promoter Klaus-Peter Kohl, was never available for negotiations. Just have a quick look at DM's resume, it speaks volumes.


No, Roy was never the undisputed champ at any weight.

Which proves what??

There's lots of great fighters that's never unified divisions.

Lets do a quick breakdown.


At 160 - As soon as Roy had beaten Hopkins for the vacant IBF title in 93, he was struggling to make the weight at 24, going on 25. He had 4 fights after Hopkins, and was fighting as high as 167. So he vacated the belt and moved up to challenge Toney in Nov 94.


At 168 - If you've taken on board what's been discussed on this thread, you'll know that Benn and Liles were Don King fighters, and those fights were extremely difficult to make. The Levin's were reluctant to deal with King, and King wanted future options on Roy, that Roy wasn't willing to allow.


At 175 - Roy had all the major belts, and DM and his promoter turned down the proposed double header by Davis. Also according to Roy, they turned down a $5M offer from HBO.


Is there anything else that I can educate you on today?


Maybe you could direct Assassin to this post? :good

 

Thanks.

So it was a case of promotional politics stopping it, but in Jones's case Liles and Benn were fights he wasn't really interested in and was happy not to have but would have taken if the issues with promoters could have been sorted.

 

Roy , via 1 punch KO. Rjj is all wrong for hearns. Especialy at 160. Roy would eat his body up, pull counters all night long.