RJJ V Hearns....MW

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I wouldn't say that he was happy not to fight them both, but he certainly wasn't desperate to fight them either.

    Benn was a possibility before Liles. The Liles talks were after Benn, in 96 I believe. Roy was willing to fight Benn in a one fight deal, and according to Roy, Don wanted options. But they couldn't compromise and then Nigel faded pretty quickly after.

    So he couldn't obtain the WBC.

    Then the following year Liles was a possibility, and Malinga had taken Benn's belt, who Roy had easily beaten 3 years earlier.

    Also at the start of 1996, Roy already had an eye on going to 175.

    So he could have fought Liles and possibly tried to fight Malinga again to unify, but I think he saw 175 as a fresh challenge.
     
  2. Eric cantona

    Eric cantona Active Member Full Member

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    Roy had all the major belts.
    They were DMs belts. DM was the man. He should have went to Germany Poland the north pole to fight but no...he didn't want the fight.
    As for Collins "the Celtic warrior" the guy retired cause Jones refused to face him.
    Maybe he didn't want to fight in another country incase he got caught taking peds and we all know that without the peds he would be doing what he's doing now...getting knocked out
     
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    He could have fought benn after the 2nd eubank fight as benn was no longer contracted to king...but guess what? He ducked
     
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    The WBA and the IBF belts were originally DM's, that he'd took from Virgil Hill. Roy won the WBC belt.

    Why should the world's best fighter have to go to Germany?

    Germany was notorious for bad decisions and Roy had been robbed in the Olympics. Why couldn't DM go to America? Why did he refuse the proposition of a double header?

    Collins was bypassed at 168, to go up to 175.

    By the time that Collins had challenged Roy at 175, he'd been retired two years, and Roy had the opportunity of unifying against Reggie Johnson, who had beaten Collins. Nobody in 1999, wanted to see Roy face a retired ex 168 fighter. HBO didn't want it, they wanted a unification fight.

    When do you think Roy stopped taking PEDS?
     
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    Roy was the still the IBF MW champion when Benn had fought Eubank in their 93 rematch.

    He didn't officially drop the belt and move up until 94.

    Also, Benn was with King and Frank W after the Eubank rematch. :good
     
  6. Eric cantona

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    Worlds best fighter according to who? The worlds best fighters were all the world camps he ducked. DM had proved he was the worlds greatest LHW if Jones wanted to be the best he had to beat the WORLDS GREATEST LHW

    Collins retired because Jones wouldn't face him! Fact.

    He stopped taking peds after he got caught but obviously the benefits would still be there for a long time as he was able to train harder and longer for years previously
     
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    According to who? Pretty much the entire boxing world.

    DM had beaten Hill on points, and was unfairly stripped. But he didn't PROVE he was the best LMW. Go and analyze both of their 175 resumes.

    Roy's LHW resume is much better than DM's.

    How can you fight someone that doesn't want to fight?

    DM turned down Davis's offer and a **** load of money, to instead fight the likes of Joey De Grandis.

    So Roy stopped taking PEDS in 2000, yet was still able to beat Harding, Gonzalez, Woods, Ruiz and Tarver AFTERWARDS? :lol:

    He must have been really dependent on them then.
     
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    1_man_army The Knockout King Full Member

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    Whoever lands a decent shot first wins this one.

    That being said, Roy is a very over-sized middleweight which gives him the advantage here for me.
     
  9. Eric cantona

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    DM was lineal and unified champ. What more can he do to be regarded as "the man" as you yanks like to say

    With regards the peds. Read my post. If you've been taking peds for years the beneficial effects will be there for a long time after you stop..cause you were able to train harder and for longer. Does that not make sense?
     
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    Loudon...are u ever going to give an opinion on the thread title or u just going to write RJJ propaganda?
     
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    Jones was alot better,faster and more powerful at middle and s.middle than lt heavy.So i would pick Jones by k.o.
     
  12. Loudon

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    Dariusz never held the WBC belt. He obtained the WBA and the IBF belts, after beating Hill in 97.

    But his WBO belt wasn't recognized as a major belt. It wasn't respected or even rated by the the likes of The Ring magazine.

    I'm in full agreement that he was unfairly stripped, but I wouldn't call him "The Man" just because he beat Hill on points.

    Roy destroyed Hill in 4 rounds the following year.


    What more could he have done you ask?

    He could have fought Roy for EVERY 175 title, and for a huge sum of money.

    But he clearly wasn't interested.


    With regards to PEDS, do you give Roy any credit for the Ruiz and Tarver wins, that were THREE years after the Hall fight?

    Was he still getting the benefits at that point?
     
  13. Eric cantona

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    Never seen ruiz fight and i don't want to...to me it means nothing and i think you know why i say this.
    Tarver....he's hardly a benn eubank nunn collins DM ext....
     
  14. Loudon

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    This is why I asked you to move onto the other thread, because we've now taken it over discussing another subject.

    With regards to this thread, it would be an interesting match up.

    I'm a big fan of Tommy's.

    But Tommy was at his peak at WW and LMW.

    But having said that, Roy wasn't at his peak until he got to SMW.

    I think it would have been an intriguing fight. Roy had never faced anyone at 160 anywhere near as good as Hearns.

    I think Roy would have had a hard nights work, but I think he'd have taken it on a decision.

    I think both fighters would have been cautious.
     
  15. Loudon

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    How can the Ruiz win have meant nothing? :lol:

    Tarver was a good fighter. He was a southpaw and had a lot of ability.

    What was so special about Collins?

    His claim to fame was beating faded versions of Benn and Eubank.

    I respect him, he was a warrior. He had a great chin, and he wanted to fight Roy, and he was a hard man.

    But I wouldn't call him a great boxer.

    I wouldn't say that he was better than Tarver.