RJJ V Hearns....MW

I'll GLADLY answer every one of your posts, but if you don't answer me, then you'll look like a complete FOOL in front of everyone reading this thread.

So I'd think about that. :good

 

i've thought about it. do it. that's why i asked. :-(

you? make me? look a fool? stop. smoking. that. super. strong. skunk.

it'll rot your brains i tell yeah. trust me, i know. :yep

 

assassin,

Now sit your ass down, because class is now in session!

Ha! The worlds best fighter who fought at 175, ducked an unknown European, WBO belt holder, that fought in a DIFFERENT weight class?

In 2002, Roy's options after Woods, when Frank W held talks, were: Ruiz, Tarver, and Calzaghe.

The ONLY thing that happened, is that Roy's team were willing to listen to their offer, whilst they got an answer from the Ruiz camp. When Murad Muhammad got a yes, Roy didn't give Tarver or Joe a SECONDS thought. He fought Ruiz for the WBA HW title, and Murad made Roy $17M.

Collins was dismissed. Once at 168, and a 2nd time at 175. HBO did NOT want the fight.

It wasn't an undercard, it was a double header. DM at the time, was the WBO champ. He'd been unfairly stripped of the WBA and the IBF, but Roy was always the WBC belt holder. There was more money for both FIGHTERS fighting in the U.S. Also, Roy made it crystal clear that he wouldn't fight in Germany, because it was NOTORIOUS for bad decisions, and he'd had his fingers burnt in Seoul. Kerry Davis went out of his way to make the fight happen, and Kohl was NEVER available to negotiate. HBO offered DM $5M and it was turned down. According to you, DM didn't want to play second fiddle, but how was it then, that he was perfectly fine with fighting Hall twice and Joey De Grandis? He didn't want to play second fiddle to Roy, with an opportunity of gaining EVERY 175 belt and $5M at the end of it, yet he was happy to fight Joey De Grandis for $1.5M INSTEAD?

Look at DM's resume, you don't need to be a ****ing detective, to work out what happened.

How????? The fight at 160 was never viable. Roy was fighting nobodies, until he split with his Father, and signed with HBO in 1992. By the time he'd got his title shot in 93, he could NO LONGER make the weight. So he moved up to 168 officially in Nov 94. Gerald however, REMAINED at 160, until he fought Benn in May of 95. So they simply missed each other. The fight wasn't viable at 160, and Gerald only had the ONE fight at Roy's new weight of 168. The rest is history. It was a sad day for boxing. But Roy didn't duck him.

So,YOU know more than Fred and Stan Levin, Greg Fitz, and Roy himself do you?? I wonder why the Levin's didn't think of what you're suggesting? How silly! If only you'd have been there in 1995, you could have suggested that they all sit down for tea and biscuits, and then everything would have been fine. I bet If Don had been offered some Oreos, he'd never have wanted future options on Roy? I mean let's be honest, Don is renowned for being EASY to negotiate with isn't he?

Of course he did. You're quite right. He ducked Jackson in the early 90's, by instead fighting Lester Yardbrough, Eddie Evans, Art Serwano and Kevin Diagle in Pensacola for PEANUTS! Fred Levin was presenting Big Roy with title fight opportunities, and he wasn't EVEN TELLING Roy about them. Do some research. Roy did not DUCK ANYONE at 160.

atsch Wow!

Roy had met with Holyfield late in 2001, before he fought Ruiz for the 3rd time. If Holy had've won, Roy would have fought Holy in 2002. But he and Ruiz drew, so Roy turned down the offer of fighting him, because there was no title at stake. The reason I'm telling you this, is because when Roy returned to 175 in 2002, he already had an eye on going UP to HW. A fight with Hopkins would had to have been at a 168 catchweight. That meant that Roy would have had to have GONE DOWN in weight.

This is how simple the situation was.

There was no way that Roy was going to lose muscle, when he was looking to put muscle on to go up to HW in the very near future, to fight a guy who he hated, and who he'd ALREADY BEATEN, for a 50/50 split. It was never going to happen.

Do you seriously think for one second, that if Hop had've beaten Roy, he'd have given Roy 50/50 in a rematch?

Hopkins COULD have taken the 40% but he REFUSED! And you're telling me that Roy ducked him and should have agreed 50/50 under the CIRCUMSTANCES? Have you fallen down some stairs?

The only reason Joe gave Roy 50/50 in 2008, was because it gave him a great opportunity to have Roy's name on his record, with a win next to it.

Roy wasn't any real threat at that point, as Joe himself had said on TWO occasions leading up the fight.

He wasn't chasing Roy in 99, he knew what his capabilities were in 2002, he never made any REAL effort to fight Roy, but in 2008 when he knew he was shot, he offered him 50/50.

Pathetic!

If you can't see the difference in circumstances, between Joe fighting Roy at nearly 40, and Roy rematching Hopkins with a win already over him, then I don't know what to say to you.

Yes, the fight wasn't viable at 160, but Roy should have fought him at 175.

You haven't watched as much as you think, because you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

Do some research. It's what Frank W has said, and Joe and Enzo have never denied it, and Frank would have no reason to lie.

 

He was the WBO champ, and had been unfairly stripped of the WBA and IBF belts.

He'd never had the WBC belt.

Fairly, or unfairly, at the time of negotiations, Roy had all of the major belts. Roy didn't have to go to Germany.

 

You find it disgusting? Your posts last week were cringe worthy.

"Joe had better footwork than Roy, and he could move forward, faster than Roy could backwards etc" Ha!

Yes, Roy has done things wrong, lots of things, and I've never said he was perfect. But he hasn't ducked all of the guys that your claiming he has.

 

That's your opinion. I've nothing against Collins, and it was a good win against Eubank, especially how he broke him mentally, but I wouldn't call it great, because I think Eubank was never quite the same after Watson.

Roy wasn't shot, but he clearly wasn't the fighter that he'd been previously.

Tarver was a very good fighter when he was on form, as was Collins.

But I personally wouldn't say that Collins was better than Tarver.

If you don't agree, then fair enough.

 

He fought on the few occasions that he needed to.

 

So you've gone on a thread, had a rant about Roy ducking everyone, and then when I've challeneged what you've wrote, you've ignored me? (until tonight)

Ha! There's nothing like a good back and forth intelligent debate.

 

Says the guy who's mailing address is listed as "Beneath the ballsack of Joe Calzaghe". Are you the pot or kettle douchebag?

 

I never implied that they were obtained unfairly, that's merely your own assumption.

 

You really should try and get hold of a dictionary and look up the words irony and ironic. :good

 

@ Loudon

class is in session? then i want a refund due to you being a crap teacher.

DM was the worlds best fighter at 175. not Jones. Calzaghe was far more known than most of Jones' opposition and far more proven. Joe would have stepped up a division. the fact that this seems to be a stumbling block for you is deeply shocking. fighters can, and do, move through the weights. now you know why i want that refund.

Collins was one of the best around. Jones should have faced him. he was better than a lot of Jones' opponents. HBO weren't interested AT ALL in Collins? not at any point point? the pay masters for Jones who used to ridicule most of his opponents? weren't interested in one of the best around?

a double header that Jones would have topped.
Jones was always the WBC belt holder? well that's me ****ed isn't it? i might as well just leave this site because you've really put it to me haven't you? you're a real clown you are. you're missing out on your true marking point in life by being here. you should be in a circus.
i don't care if Jones didn't want to fight in Germany, DM was the champ. you go where the champ is. HBO said that they were on board for the fight to take place over there. all Roy needed to do was ask for a ref and judges that he was happy about. job done. he never wanted it, that's why it never happened.
DM's team weren't interested in all the bull**** that was coming back at them. they wanted the fight in Germany, nothing else. any other avenues were ignored. as they should have been.
as for all the robberies in Germany... nop one comes close to the corruption of the USA. no one.

atschatsch McClellan wanted the Jones fight bad. what is so hard for you in understanding that fighters move up in weights?? if Jones had said before he fought Benn that he'd face him instead, the fight would have taken place. Gerald wouldn't have traveled to the UK for the Benn fight. Gerald only went after Benn because he wanted a big win at the weight and to have a title as well so he could try and force Jones in the ring with him. so stop talking your crap all the time. go and look on YT for some old McClellan footage to see how badly he wanted that fight.

you seem to forget the fact that Jones had said no to fighting Benn before negotiations had even begun. atsch

:huh are you saying that Jackson and Jones couldn't have fought when in the same weight division? are you denying that people talked about the two facing off against each other? you are clueless in everything you say. stop reading the scraps from the internet from some journalists that have an opinion on things, not dishing out facts. atsch

Hopkins was the Middleweight champ for ****s sake! he'd been a long running one as well. the fight should have happened at 50/50. both were nightmares to negotiate with, but it still should have happened. Hopkins had earned it.
Jones had beaten a green Hopkins years ago when he had the much greater experience. it was a completely different scenario for the rematch. atsch

i've watched a lot more than you, that's for sure. and i watched it in real time, not years later like you. so if i'm clueless, you must be the president for the clueless club. no one is more clueless than him.

Wa55en claimed this in the newspaper after Joe had left him. Wa55en always does this to fighters that leave him. he slags them off. but Wa55en got a lot of flak for being bitter, so stopped that pretty sharpish. he gives the proper credit for Joe these days.
why would Joe and his father deny it? there was nothing to deny. they just said that Frank was bitter and moved on. the end.

i thought Frank was a liar and shouldn't be listened to any way? as i said before, you're a hypocrite who chops and changes to suit your argument just so you can slag Joe off. it's very clear to see.

when's break time? because you're the worse teacher i've ever come across. i need some space from your crap to recharge the batteries. :tired

 

the belts meant nothing when DM had already proved to be the champ. Jones had a drawer full of trinkets and nothing more.

 

just more chopping and changing of the story to suit. you're one of the worst to post on here. :deal

 

"Roy's motto- you box the fighter, you fight the boxer"

that's a little bit different to what you're saying here isn't it?

yet more chopping and changing. you can't even keep up with what you're saying, man. :-(