Paul Malignaggi vs. Adrien Broner RBR

Agree about Broner not living up to expectations, but to be honest no one has been able to stop Mosley, even Floyd or Pacman, so Canelo not doing it wasn't really expected, tho he still owned Mosley pretty well. Broner got hit by way too many punches by Paulie and even Rees. He might of stopped Paulie with bodyshots, but seemed too focused on headshots. I had Broner by one point, but Paulie rightfully could of deserved a win or draw too. And Broner showing no class was just unacceptable. And that's cuz he was the winner imagine when he loses. Broner and Periban such classy fighters.:roll:

 

paulie was not rocked several times, broner nut hugger. watch canelo vs trout if u want to see rocked and knocked down!!!

 

i'm definetly not a broner nug hugger i can assure you on that. maybe Paulie wasn't rocked, certainly not like Trout vs Canelo, but definetly shook and off balance multiple times. Paulie couldn't land a meaningful right hand upstairs, because he was so concerned with Broner's right hand.

 

I had it a 114-114 draw.

It was essentially a fine example of determining what you like and value; volume vs. precision.

Exciting fight. 115-113 either way is as far as I would agree with anyone. Neither of them won 8 rounds in there tonight...

 

I don't give much credit to shoe shining in the ring..... Paulie gets some rounds on activity but didn't land but a hand full of significant punches the entire 12 rounds. I'll take one of Broner's landed punches over 10 of Paulie's.....

Broner won that fight 116-112. Clear victory. This isn't the amateurs.... Damage done by the punches matter. Shoe shining, when the other guy is landing hard and accurate power shots, is not going to win many rounds on my card.

 

Yeah I see it pretty much the same as you do. Paulie faded after the early rounds.

 

The most underrated welter today will probably fight Broner's punk ass next, and I'm calling it right now. It will be Victor Ortiz, and Ortiz will win. He was beating Lopez handily but damn, the guy broke his jaw. 22nd in the rankings, totally wrong.

 

That's what losing will do. Ortiz is 1-1-3 vs top ten level comp, with his only win coming at a catchweight we imposed

 

I don't think Broner will fight at welter for another year or more, but I do think Ortiz would knock him out. I don't like Ortiz but between being a southpaw, 10lb heavier, power punches, and reasonable boxing ability, I think Ortiz does it.

 

The arms and shoulder are not scoring areas, and if someone positions/maneuvers himself in such a way that a flurry lands on the arrms, he gets at least as much credit for defense as the other guy gets for throwing an ineffective flurry. Plus, if the other guy comes back with two solid, clean blows, that carries the round for him.

Clean, effective punching takes precedence over the other three scoring criteria. And since Broner had the edge in defense, as well, that was enough for him to shade most of the rounds.

 

Ok, so for your judge's test...True or false: The fighter who lands the cleanest, most effective punch in a given round wins the round.

 

Punches to the arms and what not are cleaner than hitting gloves. Fact.

 

Clean means the punch landed on the head or body. You use your arms to block punches.

If what you're saying is true, then every single boxer would exclusively target the body. Even if you miss you'll at least score on his elbow :good

My point is that clean effective punching is not the be all end all. More often than not, if you dominate a guy for an entire round and then he hits you with one perfect punch that cuts you, he'll still lose the round even though he's landed the cleanest, most effective punch of the round.

So if a guy lands NO punches, but bangs up the other guy's arms and shoulders and prevents him from getting off, then that guy wins the round. IMO, even if the other guy lands a few shots, if they don't have a damaging effect or slow the other guy's output, the more active guy is going to win because the fight is going his way.

Also, I'd like to point out that Broner's high percentages in 'powershots' are due to his predilection for throwing his right as a jab. Manny does a similar thing with his left. You square your shoulders up like you're winding up a hook, then just shoot out your right hand. That isn't a power punch, it's essentially a jab. Of course it knocks people's heads back, just like a normal jab. It's not the same as landing a straight right and you shouldn't get anywhere near the credit.

 

If the amount of connects are roughly the same, then I would say true.

There's a caveat though...if the opponent lands more scoring blows in his own right, and dictates the terms of engagement, as PM did in several rounds, he likely could be given the round without too much argument.

Broner certainly seemed to land with greater effect on PM, driving him backward and snapping back his head; and in the seven rounds I gave him, the cleaner punching was the determining factor (PM initiated the action, but Broner defended reasonably well). In the five rounds that I gave to Paulie, his margin of punches landed (and thrown) was sufficiently larger to compensate for the fact that Broner still landed the cleaner shots.

Hope that makes sense.

 

Perhaps, but Ortiz's D has always been suspect, and I don't think I've ever seen him swarm a fighter like PDL (or match the volume and movement of PM for that matter). Broner's hardly unbeatable, but I actually think someone like Guerrero would be a tougher match-up in terms of styles.