Hypocrisy of work rate vs. certain fighters

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by SouthChicagoRay, Jun 23, 2013.


  1. SouthChicagoRay

    SouthChicagoRay Active Member Full Member

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    I know we've all see this before but last night things became a little clearer with the Paulie vs Broner fight. We've heard this argument of "even though he landed more power shots, he was clearly outworked for most of the round thus he should lose the round". Infact, this is the mantra of "slick fighters" who usually have limited KO power yet manage to potshot and hold their way to victory. The manta is usually followed by the statement "this is boxing, its the art of hitting without getting hit, etc. etc." We'll these people are now riding both sides of the fence. Broner got hit and hit often. The fact that his punches didnt wobble Broner shouldn't prevent them from being scored. Broner didn't exactly put Paulie on ***** street. So, what gives? Is this art and scoring of "boxing" flexible? and btw, 117-111 is an absolute joke.
     
  2. Solaris

    Solaris Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    I'm so glad you felt the need to start another thread.
     
  3. SouthChicagoRay

    SouthChicagoRay Active Member Full Member

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    I'm happy you appreciate it! ;)
     
  4. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've always felt the man forcing the fight should get more credit, than the guy running or playing keep-away. I value aggressiveness.

    Paulie did well last night, I had him winning 3 of the first 4 rds, on my score he was able to squeeze out 2 more close rds during the course of the fight. Unfortunately Paulie wasn't able to sustain that early pace and he wasn't moving like he did in his prime.

    I had Paulie losing 7 to 5, I find the judge who gave Paulie the nod and the one who had Broner way ahead equally absurd.
     
  5. Golden Boy 360

    Golden Boy 360 Boxing's Biggest Cash Cow Full Member

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    reminds me of the Canelo-Trout fight, I had Trout winning by 1 point but some rounds were extremely close and think Canelo deserved the win.

    I had Broner winning 8-4 yesterday.
     
  6. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The judge who had it 117-111 had at least another judge scoring the same as him in all 12 rounds.

    Paulie didn't win a round after the 4th. You don't know **** if you think Broner got hit often.

    The end.
     
  7. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    well put, SCR
     
  8. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    117-111 is just ridiculous. Shades of Paulie-Diaz 1.
     
  9. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The judge who had 117-111 had a perfect scorecard. He had at least 2/3 judges scoring the same in all 12 rounds.

    The judge who had it 115-113 for Paulie was flying solo in 4 rounds.................

    But don't let facts get in the way of your inaccurate perceptions......
     
  10. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Broner would throw one punch cleanly cover up, let Paulie flurry(I will admit not at all accurate a lot of times), and throw one punch and cover up again. It was like watching an above average version of Josh Clottey in Broner. A guy that is dubbed as talented as people say he is, should be winning convincingly in the public's mind, Broner is not doing that. I had the fight a draw, with the point deduction that should've been called(similar to the **** Ortiz pulled with Floyd), Paulie wins by a point.
     
  11. Jordan_Davies

    Jordan_Davies Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The thing is i didnt care if Malignaggi won, i honestly didnt think he would do this well (i had him winning 7-5) but if you count the rounds where points should have been deducted from Broner then Paulie win

    But needless to say I knew Broner would get exposed tonight, I even think Amir Khan has a pretty good chance of beating this clown

    Broner isnt the problem, he just has one
     
  12. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're not scoring the fight correctly and the statistics do not back up your narrative of the fight. Neither does the film.

    The judge who scored it 117-111 had at least one other judge agree with him in all 12 rounds.

    The judge who who scored it 115-113 had no other judges agree with him in 4 of the rounds.

    Much of press row also had it 117-111/116-112 for Broner.

    Jabs and shoe shining don't win fights. All this talk about "activity" is a joke. The 115-113 for Paulie card is a sham, and anybody who agrees with it doesn't know **** about boxing. Stick to watching computerized scoring in the amateurs if that's how you're going to score fights.
     
  13. Manfred

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    You can't apply that logic to every fight because each fight is different. Paulie might have thrown more punches but they were not in prime locations. If all of his punches were landed in prime locations then I would be inclined to agree with you. However, that was not the case. Paulie fought a good fight but it wasn't enough in my opinion.:bbb
     
  14. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So I take you think Broner's mighty power shots were the difference? It's the same **** that people debated with Juan Diaz-Paulie I. Broner's power shots looked impressive, but they did nothing, never did I think Paulie was in trouble. Paulie's jab in a lot of rounds clearly stopped Broner from throwing, and Broner at times seemed like he didn't give a **** if he got hit by jabs, but his connects were about on par with Paulie in terms of damage and effictivness, essentially minimal. Broner had his moments, and I thought he was going to put it away by banking the Championship rounds, but he simply didn't do enough.
     
  15. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Power shots that snap a fighter's head back are worth more than glancing jabs and arm punches, yes. Paulie STILL got out-landed overall after Broner took off the first 2 rounds and all Paulie was doing was jabbing and shoe shining. i.e - throwing arm punches.

    End of discussion.

    If you think Paulie was never hurt, you're a ****ing idiot. Yea, Paulie was on his bike all night because Broner's shots were "doing nothing." Where the **** do these idiots come from?