Is Oscar De La Hoya the most overated fighter of alltime ???

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  1. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :deal
     
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    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Sitting down looking at the Mayweather-DLH fight without scoring, I'd get the impression Mayweather won by the sheer landing of the only clean effective punches on the night.

    Its only when I sit down to score it that I come to realize that theres to many rounds where DLH was busier and Mayweather did'nt even participate in them offensively.

    The Broner Malignaggi fight reminds me of the flow of the DLH-Mayweather fight.
    Broner scored with the more telling blows, but each, Mayweather and Broner were having a hell of a time mounting any offense while the other was fresh and capable.

    Mayweather I believe feared the power that could come behind DLH's jab and thus limited his offense for to long of stretches.
    He's lucky it did'nt cost him the fight.
     
  3. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Shane Mosley wins this award by far.
     
  4. Momus

    Momus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I rarely see De La Hoya's name being bandied around with the top 20-30 ATGs, which is really the only way he'd be overrated.

    He was one of the best fighters of the era, a first ballot Hall of Famer, and a h2h monster at lightweight. His career lacks the career defining win that would tie everything together, and he didn't prove himself to be superior to the best fighters he faced. You can say the same about most great fighters though.
     
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    Juan Manuel Marquez, Erik Morales, Marco Antonio Barrera, Evander Holyfield, Bernard Hopkins, Shane Mosley, Lennox Lewis, Felix Trinidad.
    I just named a few from DLH's era that imo were better fighters than he was, and there are likely some more like Roy Jones Jr.

    DLH imo is'nt even a top 5 in his own era, yet he was the face the media glued and associated with the era.
    Its called being overrated!
     
  6. Manu Vatuvei

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    On my scorecards ANY fighter can run for up to 5 rounds if they want, they will still be robbed if they clearly win the other 7.

    People claim Oscar was robbed because they score the fight properly and...he won it.
     
  7. assasin

    assasin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    not of all time, but yeah, definitely overrated. a few wins he got were loses.

    when the hype machine gets rolling in America, it just keeps on going until the obvious can no longer be ignored.
     
  8. assasin

    assasin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    i definitely rate Jones higher than Oscar. Calzaghe as well. :deal
     
  9. LikeFatherNSon

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    7-5 is hardly a "robbery", using your hypothesis. And in a subjective sport, a two round swing is hardly shocking.
     
  10. ricardinho

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    I had picked Tito to win the fight by KO and bet 100 on Tito.... I was surprised that I had not lost my money as I had Oscar clearly winning the fight as Tito looked overrated in the fight.
     
  11. elmaldito

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    Canelo?

    Both gassed out and ran.
     
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    He was better than Floyd.
     
  13. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I think Oscar gets underrated a lot on here.
     
  14. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Totally agreement here.
     
  15. Momus

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    I think people focus too much on his disappointments at welterweight, and not what he achieved in his prime years at 135-140. His 1995 run at lightweight was exceptional, and he doesn't get enough credit for beating Gonzalez at 140.

    At 147 he didn't have the same physical advantages and punching power, and never seemed to settle on an effective style.

    The Trinidad debacle and clean loss to Mosley in the first fight hurt his overall standing. However, when you look beyond the hype and the cringeworthy public persona, at his best he was a superb fighter.