atsch there hasn't been anybody as shitty as Ruiz with a strap for a while now, thats why it hasn't been attempted... and Ruiz was NOT a top HW. He was a fraud with a paper title that he didn't even win... Why didn't Jones go for Lennox, Sanders or Wlad even? Because those guys would have SMASHED him. any skilled HW with any power would have KO'd Roy easily. Roy handpicked John Ruiz for a reason! Ruiz was a very crude and skilless HW as well as a light puncher, thats why Jones opted to fight him instead of Sanders or Lewis!
He didn't handpick Ruiz, because Evander Holyfield was the initial target. Nothing you say will change that. If you want to read about Lewis and Roy, then google - thefreelibrary.com, type in their names, and then read the articles. Lets for argument sake, say that Ruiz was still active now. (the same version that Roy fought) Are you saying that there'd be guys that would go up and fight him? Ward, Kessler and Froch haven't even gone up to 175 yet, and they might not do either.
atsch:huh Some people are just stubborn and ignore the facts... Theres no way Roy would have stepped in with Holyfield, even a past prime one... Roy didn't have the chin to go head to head with a SKILLED and powerful HW(at least compared to Ruiz) We all know what would have happened to Roy had he stepped in with Holyfield... glass would have shattered and his career would have gone downhill before Tarver II. And to answer your question. If Ruiz was active AND had a strap then yes, im sure someone like Andre Ward who has expressed interest at having a fight at HW would go up and challenge him.. very likely... Ruiz really was garbage, and I don't see why the elite fighters at SMW and LHW today couldn't stand a fair chance at beating him if they bulked up.
UnleashtheFURY, Some people are just stubborn and ignore the facts? Yes I know, YOU!! It's funny watching you try to convince yourself. I don't care what you have to say, because I know that Roy met with Evander, and I know that Roy would have fought him in 2002, under different circumstances. Well the keyword there, is IF. IF, is the biggest word in the dictionary. You can apply the word IF, to anything you want. Those guys haven't even expressed a desire to go up to 175 yet. :good
Ruiz was a multiple time world Champion.. He won the title back after Roy beat him for **** sakes.. It was not like he was just some lucky chump that won a world title.. He was around for years, and gave many good HW's tough fights... Saying Roy beating him meant nothing is bull****.. Delusional haters. Roy Jones was a World Champion at HW, that is an impressive feat no matter how you try to spin it to fit your hate filled agenda.. Crybabies just gotta deal with it forever. Sorry.
Well Roy was a notorious ducker for the better part of his prime... He had a very carefully managed career in which he usually fought stiffs instead of legitimate contenders. why would Roy change his MO and challenge Holyfield? I'll say it again for the 100th time since you can't seem to get it through your head. Roy only challenged for the "HW title" because of how much of a joke John Ruiz was! It really detracts from what "Roy did" and is not the amazing feat that you fanboys make it out to be. Now had Roy gone up and beaten a real legitimate HW like Lewis, Sanders or even Wlad Klitschko I would be impressed. But he chose to easy and safe route in facing John Ruiz who didn't even win his version of the title..... Of course that question is impossible to answer because there isn't a skilless fraud like Ruiz around today carrying around a HW strap(thankfully) but IF there was I don't think it would be unreasonable to think that a skilled and ELITE SMW/LHW could go up and beat someone like John Ruiz.
atsch :huh Ruiz cheated more, and got more gift decisions and his paper title back due to the corruption of Don King after he lost to Jones. Nobody is a 'Delusional Hater" here, you however are a delusional fanboy that cannot accept the truth about John Ruiz and Roy Jones so called "amazing feat" in beating him.
Especially with a referee that enforces the rules. When forced to fight by the rules Ruiz was nothing more than a punching bag. He couldn't do anything. His skill level was atrocious. It was the perfect time and perfect opponent for Jones to fight. If he was so interested in fighting other Heavyweights he could have stayed and made more money than he would have for fighting Tarver or Glen Johnson. He wasn't interested but fighting this one handpicked guy so he left the Division. It is as simple as that. One of the most blatant cherrypicks of all time. What Roy did was the equivalent of Spinks fighting Berbick instead of Holmes. It was a farce.
:good Yep.. Ruiz is easily one of the worst HW title holders of the last 50-60 years.. scratch that, one of the worst of all time. he was a complete fraud, and like you said when rules were enforced he reverted back to being a skilless punching bag. Yeah... I can't believe there are people who believe that Roy had interest in fighting Tyson LOL. Even Shot to **** Tyson would have easily KO'd Roy within 3 rounds. Roy definitely had no interest in fighting the top dogs at HW, or even a dangerous HW for that matter.
You are a Jones hater dude, stop trying to act informed, and educated. Roy Jones winning a title at HW was a great feat, I believe Joe Calzaghe even talked about what an accomplishment that was... The fact is Roy Jones was a champ at HW. Few fighters in history have been able to do what he did. Not all the keyboard warriors in the world working around the clock can take that a way, it is in the books.. And had one of your fighters done it, you would be looking at it in a different light.:hi:
Damn right. I'm not a very big fan of Jones admittedly but I state nothing but facts about Ruiz the career of Jones, sorry that you can't handle the truth.
Since you are so into facts.. We know how many have accomplished getting belts from MW to HW.. How many can you name that have dropped from HW and beat the LHW Champ in his very next fight? You seem to dislike the fact that Roy didn't stay at HW, but I am interested to know if you know how rare it is to be able to drop down and get the title back? Now I only want facts, not your blind eyed opinions.
I have yet to see a primary source that confirms the Ripped Fuel story. To the best of my knowledge, neither the IBF or the Indiana Boxing Commission have confirmed this explanation as correct. People are welcome to look into the timeline of events and interviews with people involved, and then draw their own conclusions on the basis of consistency and plausibility. However, Ripped Fuel should not be presented as fact unless there is evidence to back it up. Likewise, I have never seen confirmation from an official source that Jones tested positive for androstenedione. If this could be produced, it may change some people's perception of the case. The number of drugs tests failed during a career is a poor indicator of whether an athlete is "clean" or not, especially given the shitty testing procedures in boxing at the time. Andreas Krieger never failed a drugs test, for ****'s sake :shock:
How many REAL HW's can drop to LHW???? Roy wasn't a real champion, he took a paper belt from fraud Ruiz who did nothing to earn it. Ok Roy got his belt back in very controversial fight, and then he got knocked into another dimension by Tarver and then Johnson