Lennox Lewis VS Joe Louis

Brilliant. Yes, because just like you, every time I saw Lewis in action i thought "he's Primo's doppleganger he is".

 

After reading parts of this thread the one question I have is has boxing evolved or regressed? It seems to me if you pick Louis over Lewis, you have to concede it's regressed, and if you pick Lewis over Louis you would have to say that if it hasn't evolved, at least it hasn't seriously regressed.

Either that, or Louis has such a superior skillset that he can make up for all his physical deficiencies. And since may people would at worst consider Lewis the 2nd best fighter of the 90's, we're back to the sport having to have regressed for this to have occurred.

 

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To me, this Janitor guy comes off like a troll. He compares Carnera with Lewis, is laughed out of the place...realises what a total dolt he's looking...retracts his absurd comment...then says "Louis feasted on big men". What he forgot to mention, was that he didn't feast on big, superbly athletic men with excellent jabs and chilling right hand power. Budd Baar... Abe Simon.. Primo. **** off!


I love it when they say "well, he was outweighed by xxxx stone and still did this". Is anybody disputing that a great smaller fighter couldn't starch a big, average lummox? No. Well, i'm certainly not one of them- and a great smaller fighter can definitely beat a nearly great bigger fighter too, but we're dealing with two great fighters here and Lewis on top of his game would have an excellent change against any heavyweight- and here he has significant advantages over the other guy, which would likely be apparent if they ever fought at the respective weights.

I think what he needs to do is try turning the colour down on the TV when he watches Lewis fight and pretends it happened 70 years ago...I'm sure that will improve his opinion of him. Of course, when a modern day big Lummox like Tyson Fury gets put on his arse by someone he massively outweighs this means that guy could smash Lennox Lewis too.


Re: The thing about Carnera jab is this- I, like many, probably saw his jab in action for the first time and was pleasantly surprised...surprised it wasn't about three tiers below Jack Bodell's. Comparing it to Lewis's is troll-like and, sadly, pathetic.

 

It is good to see that you are making a concerted effort to uphold the quality of debates on this site.

I don't think I have ever read a post with a higher ratio between insults and fact based arguments!

 

I only called you a troll, I think you are one. I've just read another of your posts in a separate thread and quite frankly, you come across as A desperate, sad idiot who simply can't accept that 190 pound fighters don't dominate any more- and never will...and probably puts it down to "they don't make 'em like that anymore"...when reality is, for the past 20+ years, many of them have been those guys at cruiserweight, who just aren't good enough to make it in the glamour division...i'm sure in their hearts they dream of the day when the 6ft5 heavyweight monsters once again have the skills of Buddy Baer and Abe Simon...and Jack O'Hallaran...and Leroy Jones...and, who knows, maybe that time will come again. :good

 

The man has not made one single fact based argument in any of his posts, and you somehow feel that he has schooled me?

I cant refute a post that has nothing to refute in it, and I have no with to get drawn into a name calling contest.

I begin to doubt wheter you even understand what constitutes effective debate!

 

Joe's handspeed and combination power punching would be too much, and he knows all the fundamentals to pick apart Lennox's weaknesses (keeps hands low, weak chin, etc). Brown Bomber by KO.

 

This may not impress you.

Joe Louis held the title for eleven years and 8 months. Not the IBF, WBA, or WBC. No. He held the only title. The same one that John L. Sullivan held. Joe beat everyone that held the title before that were still fighting including cleaning and recleaning out his division and the lightheavyweight division for good measure. For eleven years! I think that is still a boxing record. 23 title defenses out of 25 were KO's. I that is a record as well. He lost a few prime year to WWI BTW. Would have been maybe 30.

The next champion after Joe was Ezzard Charles who was born in 1921. He was 16 when Louis won the title in 1937. Louis was probably his boyhood hero. The next 11 years after Joe had 6 different heavyweight champions. Charles, Walcott, Marciano, Patterson, Johansson, and Liston.

All of these men were GREAT fighters with the exception of Johansson. This is why Louis is so famous? Because he was the greatest until Ali came along. One comes close to those two.

As undesputed champions:
Mike Tyson was it for 2 years and 6 months (then KO'ed by Buster Douglas)
Lennox Lewis was the undesputed champion for 1 year (then KO'ed by Hasim Rahman)
Evander Holyfield: 2 years then losing the Bowe. (No shame in this one)

That totals a combined 5 years and change as undesputed champions from the three GREAT fighters.

What do you think of all this? Is Joe is a overated bum...along with all of the other old-time fighters, or with your clear rational mind will you concede that people who are in awe of this man Joe Louis have some good reason for it?

 

JPL, you're confusing accomplishments with H2H outcomes. Nobody would dispute that in terms of accomplishments Louis is at worst 2nd best in history, but H2H beating the likes of Conn isn't all that impressive. They wouldn't even allow Conn into the ring with Lewis in todays boxing world, nor Marciano for that matter.

 

On little matter though.

H2H is ultimately speculative.

How many of us expected Stevenson to just walk through Chad Dawson for example.

Resume is a given.

We can at least be prety sure that Louis beat Conn.

 

Janitor....have we mentioned how Danny divito (tony galento ) decked and nearly beat Louis?

 

It tells you a lot that people have to attack Louis based on a fight that he actualy won.

A fight that only lasted a few rounds.

With most fighters, you can find a suitably ugly loss on their record.

 

Yes, but the problem with this line of thinking is that this whole thread is based on who would win H2H.

Nobody that I'm aware of is claiming Lewis had a better career than Louis.

So this whole thread is speculative from being to end.