Have boxing skills progressed, or have they regressed?

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  1. janitor

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  2. Foxy 01

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    So what are doing? Giving credence to La Motta for his " I never went down Ray " observation?

    Most of those fights were one sided beat downs, and you think because a guy with one of the best chins ever stood up, Ray couldn't have beaten Mayweather or Pac.

    Ludicrous.
     
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    Also, modern performance-enhancing drugs are better. No doubt we can agree on that.
     
  5. ribtickler68

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    There really is no end to the **** you talk. Fat improves chin, eh? What a rectum you are!
     
  6. Foxy 01

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    I think the honour goes to you without a doubt. It is well known a film of flab on a Heavyweight will help him, because fat stores oxygen, whereas muscle doesn't. The lower weight guys can get away with it because our vital organs like lungs and heart are all more or less the same size whether we weigh 160, or 260.
     
  7. ClintMagnum

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    Wrong on all counts.
    Training better? Name these super new techniques in boxing gyms that make today's fighters better? HIIT? Interval training? That is not new, hell even Greb did high anaerobic shuttle runs combined with roadwork. They all worked up the gears in 3 minute rounds. Many plyometric techniques are from the old timers sessions (tyre striking with a hammer, pulling weights during running and using a plyo box from tuck jumps and stepups) All old school plyo exercises, not new in the slightest.
    The only one I'll concede is recovery. Today we are more aware than ever of the importance of recovery compared to the old era.
    Sparring better today? Nonsense. There were tens of thousands of gyms with tens of thousands of hungry, hard fighters all learning from each other and travelling gym to gym, compared to the lack of gyms around today and only a few thousand pros worldwide.
    Nutrition has improved but not radically. Almost all the old fighters had no choice but to eat fresh, orgnanic as thats all there was. A predominantly high protein, mid carb, low fat nutrition plan was the same then as now, red & white meat, fruit, vegetables and complex natural carbs such as potatoes,pasta. You can't reinvent the wheel. The only upside now is supplements which are leagues better (not to mention their enormous hidden use of EPO, AAS, HGH).
    Boxers physiques look different today due to the insistence on weight training, which is also open to debate as to how helpful it is to isolate muscles with weights for size and strength & why plyo training and old school compound & bodyweight exercises are taking precedence in gyms again.
    Truth is skills are not better today and almost all the top trainers are in agreement (Manny Steward, Freddy Roach, Teddy Atlas, Carlos Ortiz to name a few) The parry, slip, sidestep, ride & weave squat roll, infighting, feinting, body punching, footwork, and counter-punching skills that used to be part and parcel of a seasoned contender’s repertoire, they're still here but only in the skill set of the top 2 or 3 fighters.

    Always the same allegations. If a guy votes against the modernist he's accused of being sentimental, despite the fact that most who vote old school are modern day fans who happen to have studied both equally. :bart
     
  8. Loudon

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    An absolutely outstanding post Ste! :good
     
  9. ribtickler68

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    Are your lungs and heart in your chin?
     
  10. Loudon

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    Nobody is saying that they are ******ed, stop exaggerating.

    How can skills be less effective today?

    Body punching for example, can't be less effective today. That's ridiculous. But I don't think it's as common today. Uppercuts also aren't as common in my opinion. You're not telling me that uppercuts aren't as useful today, as they were years ago?

    With regards to the best of today beating their predecessors, then have a look at post 193. :good
     
  11. Loudon

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    You think Manny Steward knew **** all about boxing? :patsch :lol:

    This thread is not asking if boxing has progressed, it's specifically looking at skills.

    Have skills progressed or regressed?

    There's skills that you don't see as often today.

    It's nothing to do with hero worshipping the old timers.

    The best fighters in the world today aren't as good as some of the great champions of the past.

    If skills progressed over time, then that would mean that today's guys are the best ever, but they clearly aren't.
     
  12. Loudon

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    How can body punching not be as effective in today's environment?
     
  13. Loudon

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    That's my honest opinion. I've come to that conclusion based on watching hundreds of fights across all weight classes, over a long period of time. If you don't agree, then that's fair enough. That's why I made the thread, to gauge other people's opinions.

    I agree with your above examples.

    You still see great body shots, and uppercuts, but I don't think they're as common as what they once were.

    I also don't agree with the posters who've said that today's top fighters are the best ever. I think that today's top fighters are great, but I don't think they're as good champs of the past.

    I think if the best fighters of today fought their predecessors, they'd come unstuck.

    I think the best fighters of the past, are better than today's best fighters.
     
  14. Tyson379

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    Where is the neither option?

    Society and sports never progress or regress. It just stays the same all the time.
     
  15. Loudon

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    It's not that we don't see them, it's that we don't see them as often in my opinion.