Jack Dempsey v Mike Tyson

Sure, the guy who actually cite contemporary accounts, cites passages from books on the subject, the one who has the faintest air of a scholastic approach to the subject is getting shown up by sophomoric name callers.

You keep believing that, champ.

 

The Dempsey "wicked" thing was in response someone who said Tyson would lose because he could only mug grandma's.

They were of the same cloth.

 

Hahahaha..

Seamus why do you think you're better than everyone?

I've shown what you say about Dempsey is to be incorrect and im still waiting for you to correct me.

 

Because, so far, in this argument, I have presented actual contemporary newspaper accounts and excerpts from books by those who have studied the subject in great depth. I am still waiting for responses of equal erudition.

And, bestill your beating heart, I have more to come.

 

You mean like the time when you said Klitschko lost against Brewster because the poison set in? You've proved it time and time again with your comments that belittle just about anyone who sides against you.

Dempsey signed contracts to fight Wills on two different occasions but reneged when finances failed to materialize(not Dempsey fault but the promoters) - Rogar Kahn,Dempseys friend and autobiographer..You've quoted Randy Roberts who most likely would have talked too or read Kahns book. I'll take my source over yours.

You said he was a pimp who beat his wife but was found not guilty?

What else do you have?

 

I never stated anything like this. You go find where I ever seriously contended such a thing and post it here. I think you may have me confused or melded with someone else. But get your facts straight before posting such drivel. You lose credibility with each syllable.

The time honored (going back to Sullivan) prop of signing contracts with zero intent on fulfilling them. Even Adam Pollack called this practice out in his books.

 

Regardless of tyson's and Dempsey's character/background/personal shortcomings etc..the question was who would win in a mythical matchup? Let's stick to question at hand and show respect for each other's opinions. we may not agree with another's opinion but let's at least keep it civil and show some respect...Especially for the older posters who have seen more than the rest of us. Now as to who would win? I'll go with Tyson in a 2 or 3 round barn burner of a fight. Both men would look to end this early and after a couple of minutes of feeling each other out, the fur would start flying. Both men are fast this we know...but one is 220lbs of solid muscle and the other is 190lbs of whipcord muscle. I think the 220lb version of Tyson may be a little too much for the 190lb Dempsey but it would be a thrilling fight neverthless.

 

You shouldn't talk about credibility this isn't the first time you've been wrong.


MagnaNasakki:
The Brewster fight was wild. I've NEVER seen a top shelf heavyweight gas in 60 seconds. One minute, he's beating Brewster up, next minute, he can't breathe, he's eating big shots, and he looks like a zombie.

Wild fight.

Seamus:
That's when the poison kick in.

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How does this prove Jack ducked Wills or drew the color line? All you keep showing is your agenda you have against Jack Dempsey.

You cannot refute what I said. But lets keep this going

So do you actual proof of
1. Dempsey drew the color line
2. Ducked Harry Wills


And you also need to give actual _evidence_ of the claim you made about him beating his wife or breaking in girls, not someones word which they couldn't prove.

You said you had more then what you posted I can't wait to see it!

 

Yes, that is called a joke. Do you lack a sense of humor along with intellect? Some dolts had been posting here and in general some conspiratorial **** about how Waldo was poisoned. No, Waldo ran out of gas and was cold ****ed.

 

ur a fkn loser and a liar

 

"I fought 150 and 200lb fighters and I could tell the difference"


thats how much of a egotist scumbag you are

 

I prefer to judge the thoughts of the day when discussing two contemporaries. For your edification, from the Evening News, San Jose, May 20, 1922...

"Has Jack Dempsey a longing to meet Harry Wills- of those deep and lasting longings you read about in lovesick novels you read when you are in a lovesick mood? Dempsey says very glibly that he will box Wills... but you will observe that, when Will's name is mentioned, he asks the significant question, "Who's going to handle the match?" Just as thug it would be a tough proposition finding a club willing to promote such a fight.

As a matter of fact it would be no trick at all finding a club. Montreal is already in the field for the July 1 match, but Jack Kearns says Dempsey has too many engagements on his hands to fight that early.

There are more way than one of dodging a hard nut, and Dempsey can one minute say he will Wills and the next minute demand a million dollar purse or more for his bit.

Tha Wills is the logical man nobody who follows ring evens can deny. A few months ago a Minneapolis paper took a poll of the middle west sports and the big majority said Wills was the logical opponent for Dempsey. Since then a New York daily asked its thousands of readers the same question, and again Wills was their first choice by a large majority.

In all fairness where is there a man, white or black, that has a dying man's chance of beating Dempsey? Run over the list and they are punk lot. Carpentier, a good little man, but no chance. He shot his bolt at Jersey City last year. Miske, Gibbons, Brennan, Fulton, Beckett, Martin, Roper and Willard - they are all alike; just ordinary third-raters. The only match is Dempsey and Wills."

Here are some of Sandy Griswold's thoughts from Feb 20, 1921.

"Following precedent is what Jack Dempsey advances in defense of his drawing the color line, and while that is all well and good, it is still alleged that had there been no Harry Wills lurking in the offing, he would have never thought of precedent. Being disproportionately inflated as he was, he would have welcomed a championship title with any man, white or black.... but since that turnup at Toledo with Willard, this inflation has been materially reduced, and it is going to be a hard matter now to drag him inside the ropes with any opponent other than one of his own picking...

Heavily entrenched behind that mythical old color line, Dempsey will have all the say as to who his prospective opponents may be...

Jack Dempsey, the so-called Giant-Killer... Although repeatedly bantered to out of his shell by all of the passé gentlemen of color, he persistently backed away. There is no two ways about it, however, the champion's one-round knock record would have bumper into vastly rougher going if he had, at the time, met any one of these ebony-hued mitt-wielders."

Here's Frank G Menke, King Syndicate, Jan 15, 1922

'The Dodgers' is a fistic playlet of present day, with the champion enthusiastically engaged in adroitly ducking battles which might result in the loss of a crown.

Jack Dempsey's promise was, "I'll be an active champion." It'll be three years in July since he whipped Willard. In that time he has fought only three times.

Dempsey has gone in for theatrical, rather than fistic, work since he defeated Wilard. The excuse is that there is no one for him to fight. That was fair enough through the first year of his kingpin. But its a different now. Wills, Gibbons, Tunney and a few others haven't been whipped by Dempsey."

 

How does that make me egoist?

What is your deep, personal agenda here? I am nobody. We are here to discuss boxing history, not solicit internet tough guy routines.

If you do not wish to engage in at least a somewhat civil discussion, I am will have none further of it. I don't mind a little ribbing, but I am not going to waste my time with people casting about "egoist scumbag" labels.

I was going to post even further first hand account to back the Wills' duck point, but I think I am done. Go ahead and claim victory with your name-calling.

 

So you just keep labelling people dumb do you? Yea you're awesome. I never claimed to have a high education but you don't need one to be a diesel mechanic.

 

"Dempsey signed contracts to fight Wills on two different occasions but reneged when finances failed to materialize"

This stands.

You're a scumbag.