Rocky Marciano's so called punching power

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  1. janitor

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  2. Ipay4leavingNot

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    Samuel Peter is muscle bound, more like blubber bound, all marciano would have to do is walk away from Peters because he is so fat he'd get tired after his legs chaff against each other for 11 rounds. Sadly Wlad almost got laid out by Peters 3 times in 1 fight. Seriously Ross Puritty, Wlad got knocked out by Ross Puritty and we are trying to compare him against a guy who never lost a single fight and fought and knockedout 4 guys who make the top 20 (walcott,charles, moore, louis) Am I the only one who thinks a boxer who is knocked out by a D rate fighter that never sniffed the title in the 90s when he had well over 20 fights under his belt is a joke?

    Some people think Wlad improved. His losses to corrie sanders and lamont brewster show to me he didn't. His near loss to peter show he didn't. It shows to me his opposition just got easier. How can 4 people consistently drop or knockdown/out a guy and then all of a sudden when these guys retire he becomes an unstoppable force and immovable object. Most the guys he is fighting aren't worth their weight in air as boxers.
     
  3. Ipay4leavingNot

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    Thank god for janitor and his logic, it seems there are alot of idiots who are getting into boxing, go back to mma or body building or whatever it is that makes you think big muscles =power.
    Look at the top contenders, almost all fat.
    -b sterivine
    -c arreola
    -short russian fighter who cancelled his fight because he got too fat.
    -chisora
    Today guys lack discipline just want to eat and party
     
  4. Shawn Kemp

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    Wlad is a joke but Wlad is 6'6 240 so now we are comparing him to a 5'10 180 pound fighter? Ross Purrity would of ruled in Marciano's era. He was what 6'4 240 himself? Sam Peter was a butterball with limited skill but still would of blew Marciano out in 1 round.
     
  5. Drew101

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    Ross Purrity was about the same size as Big Bill Wilson. Maybe a bit heavier, but still a lot bigger than Rocky (Wilson was 230lbs when the Rock stopped him inside of a round). Johnny Skhor was 6'4, and was 220lbs when he was stopped in six rounds. Neither of these guys ruled in Marciano's era, and neither would Purrity. Peter wouldn't have been a lock to rule, either. Too slow with a wide open defense. James Toney proved that a smaller man could get inside and do business when they fought the first time.

    Wlad's a different story, but that's more due to skill-set than size. Size helps...but skills pay the bills, more often than not.
     
  6. Shawn Kemp

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    Yeah and Big Bill Wilson was a bum. Johnny Skhor was a bum at the end of his career. I believe he fought Marciano lost and fought one more time. The fact Rocky Marciano fought these guys proves that they were bums because that is all Marciano fought. Bums, Mob Controlled set ups, and washed up fighters.

    One thing is being big and fat like what Bill Wilson was and one thing is being big and skilled.

    Did James Toney move up to heavyweight and knock out Sam Peter? He used skill to do well against the highly overrated Peter. Sam Peter isn't George Foreman, Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, David Tua, Ike Ibeabuchi, ect ect ect. And Toney would never beat any of these guys never knock them out.

    But clearly Marciano would of moved up to heavyweight and knocked these guys out.
     
  7. Shawn Kemp

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    You know Jersey Joe Walcott knocked out Skhor in 1 round and he did it first. Sid Peaks did it in 2 rounds and it took Marciano 6. Weird for the hardest puncher in boxing history. Big Bill Wilson was knocked out 10 times so apparently Marciano doing it makes him special right?
     
  8. Seamus

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    What joke is Wlad exactly? Worth about 40 million USD. No one has even touched him in 7 or so years.

    But, I guess, any big fella off the street with a scant bit of nut sack should be able to school him, right?
     
  9. Drew101

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    Fact is, Marciano knocked out a bigger guy who was around the same size as a lot of modern heavyweights. If someone did it first, that's probably because it proves the point that a smaller man can indeed kayo a larger man if they land the right shot (and have the talent needed to do so). Marciano clearly landed the right shot (or selection of shots). Someone without a trace of power (as you claim him to be) shouldn't be capable that, should they?
     
  10. rusak

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    It mostly proves the point that Shkor had a disgraceful glass jaw.
     
  11. Drew101

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    If Marciano were completely devoid of power, that wouldn;t matter, would it? And from everything that you and Shawn Kemp have said, that's obviously gotta be the case...right? :D
     
  12. Seamus

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    Big does not equal Big + Skilled + Talented.

    You can not compare the larger scrubs Marciano KO'd to modern super heavy champions. CHAMPIONS is the operative word here.
     
  13. Ipay4leavingNot

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    Problem is those scrubs marciano beat were more skilled and talented to the guys of the last 13 years who rely solely on size like klitschko. They have trouble to beat small unskilled opponents like samuel peter or ross puritty or corrie sanders and lamont brewster.
     
  14. Shawn Kemp

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    Drew maybe you can't read . The thread that I made by the way states just because Marciano could knockout 180 pound bums then why do his fans think he could knock out modern sized heavyweights would good chins like George Foreman, Oliver McCall, David Tua, ect ect ect.

    Not did Marciano have enough power to knock out 180 pound fighters or bums.
     
  15. Drew101

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    I'll agree...but this goes both ways. The fact that Marciano was able to find ways to defeat and stop guys who had achieved CHAMPION status, regardless of weight/size reflects well on his ability. I think you and I are arguing the same point from different perspectives, really. Nothing wrong with that, as far as I'm concerned.