Did Foreman's chin improve with age. Why did Ali drop him but not Holy or Moorer?

Ali punched harder than guys like Morrison and Briggs?

 

The fix was in, obviously. It had nothing to do with Foreman KTFO Moorer

 

Well it doesn't matter who you are, your chin will be **** if you're exhausted.

 

Foreman all but KO'd himself. The combination of the ungodly heat 'n humidity in the African ring 'n George's early bunker busters to Ali's mid-section -- sure it would cave him in -- exhausted George; left him easy prey to shots that wouldn't have bothered him normally.

 

I agree.

 

Ali himself said as much in his autobiography about the 8th round "... I had to make my move now. I couldn't take the chance that George would get his second wind..." and "... people say I could have knocked George out earlier with that punch. But I know better. In an earlier round George would have shaken off that punch."

 

Yes, look back at what I said, accelaeration x mass = force. The fastest recorded with a speedometer human hand movement is a golf ball at 330 km/h. But here is the thing, they record the ball not the spped of the hands, the hands must move faster than the ball to record such as speed. In the sport of jai alai the ball regularly reaches 300 km/h, crickett pitchers can regular toss that ball at a speed of 160km/h as can baseball pitchers. We know Ali has hands faster than most pitchers and cricket bowlers from basic visual inspection and the fact that in normal speed video we often cannot see his punches without watching the video over many times and from different angles. I've seen an anchor/phantom punch, but I have yet to see a phantom pitch, a phantom swing, a phantom swing etc. There is an interview where Ali explains how I think it was sports illustrated got a high speed camera and determined the anchor punch traveled something like 2 or 3/100ths of a frame. This seems about accurate because I had to put my computer program down to 3/100ths of regular speed before I even saw the phantom punch. If me sitting at home on a computer with 1/10th the speed of normal time could not see the phantom punch how is a guy in a ring with people loud cheering, distracted by a dancing boxer going to? You get knocked out by the punches you do not see. But yes, Ali punched harder because force or punching power = mass x acceleration. Morrison and Briggs ultimately have similar mass. The difference in mass between a 200 pound and 250 pound man is really quiet small in comparasion to acceleration. That is only a 25% difference. However the difference between a guy who is 250 pounds with slow hands that may move a maximum of 80 km/h and 218 pound guy whose hands move 330 mph will be 312.5%.
So if measuring force
=mass x acceleration
Briggs, Morrison etc = 250 pounds multiplied by 80km/h in hand speed= 20,000
Ali, Tyson, etc = 218 pounds multiplied by 330 km/h=
71940.

In otherwords, fast handed fighters punch several times harder even though they weigh less. This might explain how some guys like floyd patterson can punch so hard despite being small and not even being able to take a punch themself.

A question one might ask is how do we know Ali can punch this fast.

We know there are about 12 frames per seconds. Ali punched liston about 3 feet away away from him. Ali's hand speed was recorded at 3/100th or .003 frames per second. Bruce lee was record a little slower at .005 frame per seconds.

12 frames a second back then (it is now closer to 30-24 on most tvs). So 1 frame is about an 8.3% of a second or 83 milli seconds. And Ali was record at moving at 3/100ths of that. 83 milliseconds (1 frame) by .03 = 2.49


Velocity = distance/time.
= 3 feet/2.49 milliseconds
but lets convert this into km/h for ease
3 feet = 0.0009144 km
1 hour = 3,600,000 millisecond
1000 milliseconds = 0.000277778 hours
1000/2.49 milliseconds = 401.6
0.000277778 hours/401.6= 0.0000006916

km/h
0.0009144/ 0.0000006916
= 1322 km/h

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No wonder nobody saw it :hey
That'd be an accelerative force of about
Acceleration here will just be change in velocity over change in time = 1322/ (2.49 millisecond) 0. 00000 06916 6722 hours = 19113 23772 km/ h

force = Acceleration x Mass. Lets estimate the mass of Ali's arm to be about 30 lbs.
30 lbs x 19113 23772 = some big ass number
Now I likely ****ed up several points of this calculation, but the main principle remains. You can far easier be 6'3 and throw your arm to the increased speed of a golf wuss by 4 (330kmh from 80kmh)than you could increase your mass by 4 times.

Its counter intuitive but you'd be knockedout by a golf ball at 300km/h or a baseball at 100km/h than you would by a larger ball at 80 or 60 km/h. Also a bigger fist spread outs the force, a smaller fist condesnes it. Hence that might explain why a small man like roberto duran or rocky marciano can deliver so much power for their size. But many big guys have soft hands.

Being gassed won't get you knocked out from a head shot. I could see being gassed, punched in the body and being unable to breathe, but being gassed and punched in the head isn't going to make you fall. No Ali was the guy who ran circiles around ernie terrel for 15 rounds straight. Anyone whow atches that fight realizes that sometimes you can run and HIDE:good

 

I dont think Foreman`s chin improved but I believe it was his stamina that improved the most along with better balance and more mental toughness. He also threw less bombs and picked his shots better because he had to. George didnt have the hand quickness he had at 25.

Its the punches that you dont see that get you.