David Tua vs. Rocky Marciano.

Tua had potential, i liked what he had, I thought he was plenty big enough at 201lb. He could fight and he could punch. nice shoulder roll and a deadly left hook. Tua was a good contender but not a world beater. Sometimes you get fighters that posess some of the components that make a great fighter but not all of them. This is exactly what Tua was.

Its pretty clear by the end of a career to distinguish if a fighter realy had it or not. To say he could have made it another era with extra advantages of weight is a step too far, it does not wash. Whatever was missing in the actual time the fighter existed in would have been exploited by a great fighter at any other time because all great fighters are the exception to the rule. There is always an exception. Great champions are exceptional so its no good championing the merets of a merely good contender against an exceptional champion.

Rocky Marciano had two handed power and he never had a problem landing punches against faster, slippery fighters so he wont be missing Tua who Felix Savon took out with one punch.

As for Rocky being underpowered in this match we have all seen underpowered, spoilong maulers frustrate fighters with a better better size advantage. Remember spoilers like journeymen big foot martin and frankie swindle? Nobody could really take out good versions of those two and they were just trial horses. At the very least Marciano could maul much, much better than that only he was also a relentless ATG hitter.

Tua was not a thinker. If he was made to think he would just stop and watch. mostly Tua was a rhythm fighter. Rolling and punching in sequence along a pattern where as Rocky could pick his spots, draw a man in and counter as well as brawling with pressure. Marciano just had a better engine, better focus. An exceptional fighter who in many ways defied logic, unless you study him close enough to arive at the same conclusion as I have have. He beats Tua.

 

:good BRAVO! A pleasure to read. Artfully nuanced, c

 

I don't think that Tua was just unlucky to share an era with Lennox Lewis.

If Lewis had never taken up boxing, there would almost certainly have been a couple of additional lineal champions, and Tua probably would not have been one of them.

Evander Holyfield was unlucky that he shared an era with Lewis.

Chris Byrd was unlucky that he shared an era with Lewis.

Vitally Klitschko was unlucky that he shared an era with Lewis.

 

Yes, but that is the kind of disparity in quality that you need to make that sort of prediction.

If Thomas Admek came in at 185 lbs (when he could make that weight), he might still have had enough to beat Boytsov and Wilder.

Either way, it is unlikley that they would just have destroyed him.

 

Why thankyou!

 

185lbs is small for a cruiserweight. The average LHW today weighs about that much in the ring and many weigh more than that.

 

yes, sure, lewis ran from byrd and he avoided a rematch with vitali (who was winning the fight on the cards hands down)

 

But if you take him out of the picture, these guys likley hold the lineal title.

 

Regarding Marciano's all time great punching power:

Marciano had his punch force tested and it came out to 925 foot pounds.

Frank Bruno had his punch tested and the results were

I think they extrapolated that out to about 1,400 pounds of pressure or something but all the numbers make my head swim and I also saw something about 920 lbs so I'm not sure which is right or how they are measuring. I read on another site that 7 Olympic athletes had their punch tested and the super heavyweights managed about 1,300. If anyone else has better studies or more measurements of other fighters I'm all ears.

 

He doesn't have to be a world beater to beat Marciano. He's a stylistic nightmare with too much size, power, speed, and chin. Marciano can't avoid getting hit and he can't avoid getting knocked out.

Felix Savon was a monster with Lennox Lewis like proportions. Who the **** did Marciano ever face that was in his class?

 

No other HW made Holyfield back off like Foreman did and he was 41 after a 10year lay out,this is Evander Holyfield a man who you would need to kill to stop coming forward. Foreman hits harder then those guys no question. The Klitschko's would not stop Holyfield from coming at them, they didn't want a piece of him at 50years old they wouldn't want to fight him when hes 28/29.

 

I don't like these imaginary fights but you think Tua is going to land at will or one or two punches then Marciano is going down? Tua has to land a outside hook which he ****s back to let it go bang, but when was Marciano ever hurt in the ring? Some reason Tua not only KO's him but does it with one or two punches. When did Rocky ever let Joe Louis,Walcott or Charles put him in a position to be stung badly..If Walcott couldn't do it then Tua ain't.

 

They said his punch measured to bullet piercing armor.

 

The most important contribution to add to these studies would be the success rate of catching an elite fighter on the chin with it.

If Frank Bruno could produce 920lb or 1400lb of pressure but only managed to conect with 50% against the best fighters it wont be as hard as Rocky making a more perfect conection using 100% of his power.

Now I am sure 50% of the pressure used within a fighters best punch might be enough to produce a KO but if 100% can be acheived more often by the other man then he is the better puncher regardless of who can register the most on a machine.

Better fighters are harder to nail so the best puncher is the one who can nail all types of fighters good, bad and great.

 

atsch You need to be institutionalized if you believe that.