David Tua vs. Rocky Marciano.

Low output fight but clearly Holy had Valuev fight at Holy pace, came forward and fought the better fight,danced all night and took away with reach advantage, maybe I should have scored it. I will disagree and re watch it later but I gave the nod to Holy easily.


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R1 Ho
R2 Ho
R3 Ho
R4 Ho
R5 Ho
R6 Va
R7 Va
R8 Va
R9 Draw
R10 Ho
R11 Va
R12 Va

Holyfield was robbed
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Watched it again didn't score, gave it to Holy connecting with betters shot

 

Foreman was an old man, thats the point im getting at and if he didn't return then he would just be called a modern day Tua. It's the the fact at 41,42 and had seen better days he was able to do just damage is sign of his power. Younger George was meaner and a killer. Vitali power is over rated,just a great fighter but Wladimir I would put just behind Tyson and Lewis.

 

If a guy dominates an era and retires undefeated, then I would say it is prety obvious that you are going to have to be a world beater to beat him.

He beat better heavyweights than Tua, and probably a couple of people who could have beaten Tua like Chris Byrd did.

You are making yourself a bit of a hostage to fortune by talking about "good real heavyweights".

Beating the best contenders around is more important than beating big mediocre oponents. At least Marciano beat people who were genuinely elite heavyweights, who were able to get ranked at the time. Did Tua ever even beat somebody who was ranked in the top 10 at the time? If not then beating every unranked 200lb+ stiff in the world won't make up fo it.

Tua only ran through people who were either not world class, or had weak chins. Like all limited punchers, he abruptly stopped knocking people out when he was matched against the best.

 

David Tua's key career fights at world level are:

The first Rahman fight

The Lewis fight

The Byrd fight

The second Rahman fight

The bottom line is that he only won one of these fights (Rahman I), and that was done by cheating.

That is a lot of chances to prove that he was this head to head monster that some people think he was.

He got chances to prove it against heavyweights who were not very big, heavyweights who were not very durable, heavyweights who were not very hard punching, and heavyweights who were not very consistent.

A prudent person would have to have grave reservations about picking him over any ATG.

 

So, Maskaev (granted a bit younger version) and Ibeabuchi were not world class?

So, Michael Moorer, 5 years from his title, was not world class? What do you say of Jeffries 5 years separated from his title?

 

Woh woh woh! Stop right there! This is what i cant get through to you. Lets look at the key words here "given opponent". You seem to think if a fighter can land his best punch on one type of guy he can land that well on anyone! In practice it is not that simple.

As you go through the levels you find it harder and harder to conect as well against the better fighters. sure you can hit them but better fighters are often a move ahead so you settle for landing anything you can. A lot of fighters find the steam they need to put behind a shot to take somebody out requires the right amount of time and space to pull the trigger. Better fighters anticipate more, they react quicker and you find that watching what they might do to you prevents you doing what you want to do to them. This is why a lot of great punchers are only great punchers up to a level. For 99% of boxers the ratio of good shots landed declines as the quality of opposition improves.

As bad as Marciano looked he could instinctively land his best shots against any level of fighter. He was a world beater. He was an ATG.

No No No. flyweights are a completly different species. A heavyweight and a superheavyweight are not a separate species from each other they are more like heavier versions within the same breed of dog.

 

Moorer was finished. He was there for a payday. A simple fact

 

Never seen Tua getting knocked out makes it a difficult match up to determine the winner.
But just cos Tua took everything Ike threw at him does not mean he could handle a barrage from Rocky.
Juiced up power is not real , natural, raw power.
I question how Tua could take a low , squated down , loaded up , uppercut from Rock, because the way he walked straight, head down and square on , he would eat a lot of them.

 

Tua v Felix savon on youtube.

 

Marciano wouldn't be fighting that Tua but the short inside punch that floored him is what he'd be eating against Rocky and they are far more damaging punches.

 

I would actualy give Tua a pass for this, due to the circumstances.

 

dinovelvet said he he had never seen Tua knocked out.

 

I find it funny how these youngsters are overlooking greatness and are fixated over present day size, they talk about age but every fighter today is older than the Marciano era....Now this was only an amateur fight and i dont hold it against David but this did not appear to be a great punch


by the way it was Tua before the eh Modern enhancements

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpCmW_3fgBQ

 

He had way more in the tank than Jeffries who never fought again. I'm not sure that Jeffries ever beat a head to head threat to Vassily Jirov, who Moorer beat after the Tua loss.

Yet, many in this ilk give Johnson credit for the Jeffries victory.