Who's the GOAT at SMW?

Mods, do something about this disgraceful trolling. :-(

Derailing a perfectly valid 108lbs topic with all this junior light heavyweight jabber...it's stuff like this sending this place down the toilet.

 

An interesting fact about Chris Eubank which not everyone may be aware of is that he was also still an active world class shoplifter early on in his professional boxing career.

 

I don't think you are taking styles into consideration..

You are using the Jones gets knocked out by all big punchers theory, that is a myth that surfaced when Jones started getting knocked out in his mid 30's, and has nothing to do with styles making fights.

Benn was a vicious puncher, no doubt.. But Jones' skillset was on a different level.

I would like to hear how you think Benn lands that big shot on Jones before taking too much damage himself? James Toney, one of the best counter puchers ever, was only able to land one big shot on Roy. Good thing Toney had an elite chin and defense, because he was hurt multiple times, and would have gone if he wasn't iron chinned.

Jones had faster hands, had better reflexes, had faster feet, he was much harder to hit, had more variety of punches in his arsenal, he simply would have been hitting Benn more often than he was being hit, and had elite power himself.

Stylistically, I have a hard time seeing Benn with much more than a puncher's chance agasint Jones Jr.

 

I'm lost.

 

He would but not with that logic, because Jones didn't have a jab as long as Malinga's, and didn't throw it like Malinga did from the thigh - in fact Jones didn't even throw the jab. Benn just had a nightmare trying to get to Malinga stylistically, but was still the better pure fighter by far with so much more in arsenal than Malinga - a classic case of styles. Benn struggles with Jones under the logic that Jones was very unorthodox, with very fast reflexes and naturally quick punches.

 

But Benn was a fighter who could even knock you out on the way down from being knocked out himself, such was his natural power.

 

How was Eubank as undefeated champ shot? How was Benn after losing a close debateable SD to a fighter that would go on to become a SMW champ again, show Benn to be shot

Think you are getting the dates wrong.
Jones mentioned going back to SMW around the time Calzaghe was fighting Woodhall, it was a while after before Jones went to HW

 

I didn't call Eubank shot.

 

Benn set a pace from the opening bell faster than any other fighter I've ever seen. He also possessed more natural power than any other fighter I've ever seen - in that he could bang guys out without focussing on timing and accuracy, as the likes of Julian Jackson and Thomas Hearns relied upon with every KD/KO they ever scored (all timed and placed), Benn just delivered with natural speed and natural power, showing superb natural punching leverages that were something to behold! And he wouldn't just throw one shot, he'd instinctively throw 3-4-5 power shots from all angles, right hooks, left uppercuts, overhand right smashes, perfectly executed left hooks, and perhaps the most perfectly timed short counter right hands I have ever seen.

I maintain that six rounds with Benn at his most aggressive is too many rounds for Jones to escape. Benn just has to land, even if he goes down himself - he's getting right up throwing just as dangerously. And Jones didn't have an impeccable guard (he had no guard!) or indestructable chin (he had no chin!) like Watson (guard) and Eubank (chin) did.

 

I think Collins would have beaten Ward and dont think with the way Collins chased Jones, would have a problem with wanting to face Ward.
Ward looks good in a weak era. Its like at present Martinez is top MW but I doubt when Hopkins, Simon, Joppy and Holmes were there, that he would have beaten any of them or Echoles and Eastman and they were all there at the same time. I think if that any of those fighters were now prime MWs they would be the man at MW and if it was say Echoles today, there would be threads like Hopkins vs Echoles with some probably saying they think Echoles with his big punch would KO Hopkins, which we know wasnt the case.
Hope that made sense?

I dont even think it would have all been pressure that would have beaten Ward. Calzaghes speed would give him fits and Collins roughness would have been difficult for Ward on the inside

You are reffering to a fight that wasnt at SMW for Collins who was a far better fighter at SMW

 

Well, it's obviously between Calzaghe and Ward because Toney and RJJ didn't spend too much time at SMW. Personally, I'm pondering towards Ward as I absolutely loved his performances against Froch, Kessler and Dawson. Calzaghe's best win is Hopkins and IMO he didn't win that although I can see that you can score that fight very differently.

 

This sounds to me like you are saying Benn is faster than Jones Jr, and has more of a punching arsenal..

It just isn't true.

 

Well, Jones threw shots from some awkward angles, like semi-hook/semi-uppercut type shots and loopy right hands and stuff, leaping shots etc.

But Benn threw more right hooks from an orthodox-stance than anyone I've ever seen, even Holyfield. He threw perfect left hooks from the foot, short fast overarm rights from the shoulder, uppercuts with either hand, hook/uppercut shots to the body with either hand - the guy had an arsenal! And that overhand right smash, when he'd bend at the waist in front of you - was delivered at great speed with his whole body. Incredibly dangerous puncher!

I'm not saying Benn trebles and quadruples jabs and hooks or throws long rights or combinations as quick as Roy Jones does, and I'm not saying he can dance as fast or move backwards and sideways as fast as Jones, or lean back as fast away from shots. No, I am not saying this.

It's not like Benn was easy to nail when he ducked, slipped and slid, weaved and rolled or bobbed on the ropes looking to counter - awkward as **** to time, as Eubank (II), McClellan and Collins found out. But admittedly, Jones has the short quick shots in-close to get Benn when Nigel's low and in front, keeping him occupied and off-balance. It would be tough for Benn, for sure!

 

Perfect torque on those right uppercuts, Benn!

 

Further pwnage for Loudon