Dempsey Vs Ali

Great fight. jack could make this very troublesome for Ali due to his bob and weave and hellacious left hook...not to mention right hand as well. Ali would be best served staying on his toes and not on the ropes. If he does then I see him winning by decision but it would still be a barn burner of a fight. Dempsey and Louis are the two HW's from the first half of the 20th century who would be competetive with any champion past or present though I've always felt that prime Ali shades them all.

 

I do not see this as close, Dempsey got whipped by a far inferior mover called Gene Tunney. To think that a boxer of a far better style would lose to him is silliness. I don't think Frazier would have lost to Tunney as good as he was. Muhammad Ali had a huge X factor and it was that he could use that jab to cut a guy up or swell their eyes shut. Guys who go in long fights with Ali often just get stopped on cuts or swolen eyes. As good as frazier was his eyes got swollen up and he couldn't see

 

why, it must be dempsey then, said mrs. coldfield, because my pappy shook his hand and stared deep in those eyes 'neath deep furrowed jackmormon brows and he said no ma'am i did not avoid that colored boy nor any colored boy since that lester whipped my ass and broke my ribs lord did they hurt but no ali or clay as us folks call him would ever be the match for a william harrison dempsey i am, and knowing that even if you combine the fervor and size of a willard with the skill of a gibbons you absolutely get a clay, and never no mind for a wills (we all know we would have licked him no how) and that be a clay or an ali anyway you call a skinned cat it's still good for cooking, we know that this jack wins time and again and ghost blow in our bones and tomorrow the same sun sets on the same woods and so it will always be.

 

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Stylisticly Dempsey gives Ali problems, but as a champion he was somewhat inactive, and had trubble with Tunney a good boxer. I think if Dempsey conects early with something big he can get a stoppage or a knockdown that can chang the fight to his favor. However if he can't than Ali would win. I think if Dempsey was bigger he'd win.

 

Well which Dempsey would you prefer the one who got knocked out in 1 by fireman jim flynn? :rofl

I was being quiet generous to dempsey, that was the best guy Dempsey nearly beat. Dempsey ducked the best fighter of his era the black guy, so what you want me to give dempsey credit for **** he didn't do, his best win is probably firpo win. Is this dempsey who got dropped a bunch of times by firpo the prime dempsey? Who is the prime dempsey. No matter how you cut it, Dempsey gets whipped. Dempsey fought in a time when if you knocked a guy down you could literally stand 2 inches away from him and punch him with your hardest uppercut as soon as he was partially off the canvas and had both feet on the ground.

 

Please Tommo, you sound like you've got some insight but that one is totally ludicrous.

 

Ali KO's Tyson ONLY after he has him gassed.
Styles make fights and, you could argue, Tyson & Dempsey present different styles although somewhat similar.
But...its back to my old mantra, which virtually everyone on board here hates, that you simply can't compare fighters from broadly different eras.

 

Sounds good to me.

 

Why do you not take in consideration that the Jack Dempsey of the Tunney fight was just a hollow shell of himself, after 3 years OUT of the RING, and without ONE TUNE UP FIGHT ? S, you must know this I'm sure, but to buttress your opinion you conveniently forget this on your post. Would you say that Ray Robinson who got thrashed by a good journeyman Ralph Tiger Jones in 1955 ,after a 3 year layoff with ONE TUNE up fight ? Of course not. In your post U are comparing a prime Clay/Ali with a 32 year old
shot and RUSTY Jack Dempsey...Not fair and not reasonable I say. cheers....
P.S. In a fantasy bout between a Dempsey and an Ali, it is in their
primes, NOT the Dempsey of Tunney...The Ali of Spinks, and Holmes, and Berbick was not the Ali who I SAW in the FOTC. For sure...

 

I did indeed realise that Dempsey was way over the hill in 1926 and '27 when he fought Tunney,Burt. Even a prime Dempsey would have found Tunney difficult to overcome,though. Not saying that the 'Fighting Marine' would have beaten a 1919 Manassa Mauler,but he would have given Jack all he could handle.