David Tua vs. Rocky Marciano.

And the world is a lesser place for it...

 

He will be getting hit back by a 185 lb runt. Marciano didn't look like an ATG puncher against ****ell in 8 oz gloves, as well as several other fights. Marciano did a good pretty job of knocking out past-prime blown up light heavies and cruisers in small gloves, but that doesn't make him an ATG puncher at heavyweight.

I agree that Marciano is better than Tua inside, but it won't matter. The fight will first be fought at mid-range, and Marciano will get his head knocked off.

You keep talking about some mythical undersized maulers having success against bigger guys. Show me a single undersized mauler beating a legit heavyweight knockout puncher with a good chin. I can wait. :yep

 

You're making this more complicated than it really is. You talk about a leap of faith. It is an absurd leap of faith to think that Tua won't land any meaningful punches against a guy who will be right in front of him the entire fight. Styles make fights, not labels like "all time great" and so on. Marciano has no way of avoiding Tua's power and he can't take that power.

 

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Joe Frazier v buster mathis.
Harry Greb vs bill brenan
micky walker vs paulino uzcudun

 

Those questions are asinine.

Tua knocked out a lot of real heavyweights, which is something that Marciano didn't do. It's not just who he stopped but how he stopped them. The KO of Ruiz was excellent. If Marciano had fought Ruiz, you'd be claiming that he (Ruiz) was a giant.

According to your skewed line of questioning, Tua basically has to knock out monsters like Lennox Lewis and Ibeabuchi to prove that he can knock out Marciano. Meanwhile, the runt gets to beat up on the likes of Harry Matthews and this somehow proves that he's a great heavyweight puncher? **** outta here.

I would also like to take this opportunity to remind you that Marciano fought in 6 and 8 ounce gloves, unlike Tua who fought in modern gloves. Can you imagine how much more devastating Tua's power would be in 6 ounce gloves? :scaredas:

 

Mathis is a knockout puncher on what planet, nutbag? He never stopped a decent heavyweight in his career.

Greb's style was very different from Marciano's and he is not a mauler in the same sense. Try again. :hi:

Uzcudun is not a knockout puncher, definitely not comparable to Tua.

 

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uzcudun was a hell of a puncher. He flattened harry wills.

Greb style was that of a pressure fighter hence "Pittsburgh windmil"

How about marvis Frazier v bonecrusher smith..Freddie mills vs jack london?

 

Uzcudun was not a knockout puncher. He was a decent puncher, that's about it. You're not fooling anyone. Try again.

Trying to claim that Greb's style was similar to Marciano's, you look like a lunatic and no one is buying it.

Marvis Frazier over Smith was a gift decision. Jack London was not a knockout puncher with a good chin, try again.

 

He threw punches in bunches, from all kinds of angles, in and out and around, he wasn't a pressure fighter per se. Thus the "windmill".

 

Well, if Sugar Ray Robinson could outbox smaller opponents, I am sure David Tua can do the same.

 

What if 10years from now the HW limit is 225lbs? Does that mean Haye wasn't a real HW?

If the top athletes of the 90's can't stop/hurt them enough to wear them down, Foreman and Holmes, why should we assume they can hurt Marciano? What's next Tua bombs out a prime 210lb Cassius Clay? Klitschko beats 88 because he weighs 215lb?

Marciano fighting in 6ounce gloves makes it more likely to take Tua punches. Again Marciano was never hurt in the ring and Moore could punch..very hard. Someone who sparred Wach and GGG has said GGG hits harder then Wach, must be BS right.

 

I think that ten or twenty years from now the super heavyweight limit will be 230 lbs and David Haye will still be considered a heavyweight.

I'm not really sure what you are saying here.

But personally, I think that a fighters power is usually effective on opponents up to about 30 lbs bigger than them. That roughly translates into being able to contend with people three inches taller than yourself. Muhammad Ali, Evander Holyfield, David Haye who are 6'3" can fight good guys who are 6'6" with some hope of victory. Joe Louis is an inch shorter but still skilled enough to take on the 6'5" Primo Carnera, the 6'4" Abe Simon, or the 6'6" Buddy Baer.

30 pounds is a lot, 30 natural pounds not just fat or muscle. People have overcome this weight gap a hundred times in the course of boxing history, but usually only when they were facing an equally drastic skills gap or age gap.

Maybe he just spars harder. GGG may hit like a light heavyweight and be impressive for a 160 lber. but there is no way he hits as hard as someone who's 6'7" even if Wach does have sloppy technique.