So its only Floyd Mayweather. . .

Mayweather/Pacquiao will always be linked.

Some fighters get accused of ducking anyone in the top 5 or 10 of a division they fought in. It will always be.

There have been clamors for certain fights for Pac over the years but he either fought out of the US/mainstream audience or he fought stars and ranked opponents so there is little to complain about.

Just as I said above though if you wanted to you could throw a whole bunch of names out there that he could have fought. Doesn't make sense to do so.

If I had to critique a section of his career I'd say it was post Cotto; pretty lousy for when he was ranked and viewed at his loftiest. Also I think sometimes his victories and career from 108-122 gets overrated. 2 huge wins and a lot of filler.

 

Ohh yeah! You mean this guy? Your right, no one can EVER question what this boxing "expert' has to say!atsch

www.youtube.com/embed/QjZnc4sQKaY

 

Bert Sugar: "It's Floyd's fault....he scared of losing the '0'" :rofl

Last time I checked, he was inducted in the boxing hall of fame :good

and you think your opinions hold water better? :roflhi:

what's next, *****? Wanna discuss how bad Pac-Cotto was bec of the catchweight or you wanna flip-flop like your idol? :happy

 

you call for mayweather to fight canelo you say he aient going to fight him "his to scared his health comes first" and all that other bull****. then floyd signs to fight him. he is going to have a 20lb+ weight advantage come fight night and you still want him to fight him?

floyd isnt even a 154 fighter yet he is taking on the best fighter from that division. does that still make floyd a hypocrit for what he said regarding catchweights, yes it does. but only a true hater would look at the facts and numbers and decide a catchweight at 152 is unfair

 

Greatest achievement in boxing history, little Asian midget Pacquiao moving up to welterweight to make *****s so called GOAT health come first...nothing will ever top that. PAC beating Barerra > Floyd entire career ( and it still doesn't even come close to PAC scaring the **** out of Catchweather ) atsch.

 

*****s are always experts I'm many department, Barerra here seem to be an expert in the weights department atsch.

 

he also said pac would KO marquez in their second fight, so make that 2 out of 4.

 

im honestly dumbfounded at what floyd haters and *******s spew sometimes... they critisize floyd resume and they ostrasize him for not fighting pacquiao yet it was pac who walked away from negotiations even after floyd agreed to ring size glove size location and purse split

THIS WAS WHEN THE FIGHT MATTERED.. he suspected pacquiao was on PEDs and i mean its not exactly a bad thing because pacquiao was doing things no other fighter had done before, all floyd wanted was reassurance they were fighting on an even playing field. floyd would have taken the same tests but pacquiao still walked... these are FACTS...

secondly the resume thing? how do you dump on floyd resume when facts back up floyd had fought basically the best opposition he could have at the given times. he gets criticized for not fighting prime mosley and oscar. HE CALLED THEM BOTH OUT in one of his post fight interviews (im sure one of you die hard floyd fans will know) "i hear oscar and shane are moving up to 147. those are the fights i want", none of them wanted anything to do with him. can you blame them? no to put it simply mayweather was a star but no where near as big as he is now or delahoya and shane were at the time and he was clearly to high of a risk. again these are facts bro... cotto is another fighter floyd gets burnt at the stake over not fighting in his prime. floyd wanted that fight to happen the reason it did not happen was because of arum. arum even states this in his interview with his famous "you gotta know when to hold em know when to fold em". arum wanted to protect his cashcow (smart business decision), unfortunately it cost him in the long run as floyd went on to leave TR and sign the oscar fight (after Oscar left aswell) which till this day holds the PPV record.

tzyu ? well tzyu was on showtime and floyd was on HBO you see a billion fantasy threads starting about fighter x vs fighter Y and within 2 or 3 posts its "ones with TR ones on GBP, the fight will never happen" but does the same apply to floyd not fighting tzyu? nah we will just say he ducked him right?

listen i dont really care when casual fans scream "floyd is ducking pacquiao" because i know they fall for bob arums spin and thats fine, im happy to prove them wrong but most of the time i wont waste my breath. but you and the rest of the haters on this forum, YOU CLEARLY have an interest in boxing and have followed it long enough to have atleast done some research on the relationships and politics behind boxing especially bob arum

you watched bob arum try desperately to protect floyd but floyd wanted those big fights so he made the appropriate moves to get them made and it worked for him IT WORKED BIG TIME. now arums cash cow became pacquiao a great fighter and gaurenteed ATG HOF no question about it. floyd haters claimed pacquiao was the true P4P #1 and until they fought it was hard to answer that question definitively. but then you see typical bob arum doing what he could to protect his fighter. here comes pacquiao in his prime ranked p4p number one and who is he fighting? guys coming off brutal ko losses?

how the **** does that work? to get a shot at p4p number one you have to work your ass off. but if bob arums fighter is number one all you have to do is lose a fight? again i have no issues with warm up fights but they wernt pacquiaos resume is fillled with GREAT FIGHTERS at bad points in there careers? you can flip the cards and look at the situation now. pacquiao is coming off a KO loss. now under normal circumstances you put a guy like rios in with pac and its a bloodbath cakewalk for manny. but people are questioning pacquiaos ability after the KO loss. did it change him? has it taken alot out of him? its happened to plenty of fighters in the past why not pacquiao? but the same is not said when a prime pacquiao signs to fight guys coming off KO losses?

like i said floyd is ****ing stupid when it comes to public speaking he sucks ass at it, his attitude outside the ring is pathetic and i cant blame people for hating him but if you were him and you were the biggest name and selling the most PPVs in boxing would you change? floyds a hypocrit for what he said on catchweights, then goes on to sign canelo to one but at the same time

floyd aient a 154 fighter
canelo baloons to 172 (to put that into perspective GGG in his last fight rehydrated to just 170 for a middleweight fight)
floyd is past prime
we have weight divisions in boxing for a reason (as the great manny steward once said)

floyd will give you the fight you want and the one everyone is screaming for but at what cost? if he beats canelo at 154 you would all just demand he face GGG... canelo had a chance to fight mayweather after he beat mosley but he did decline saying he was not ready. this is canelo the future star of boxing. his coming along nicely and he knows floyd is contracted to more then a few more fights so he does not have to rush to sign to fight as he knows floyd cant just retire tomorrow. canelo is also undefeated there is alot riding on him and there is no way canelo himself or oscar would let a fight with mayweather go through if canelo was not comfortable. he clearly feels 152 is easily achievable and from memory he has never had problems making 154 so i dont doubt that (he is also a pretty short 154 fighter so that also works in his favour)


honestly bro the facts are there... you are right about some things but when it comes to floyd ducking fighters? i think you are wrong about almost all of them (which personally leads me to give floyd the benefit of the doubt about the others when those duck accusations arent proven wrong by facts)

 

Weight Expert atsch!

 

Well Bert said it, so it must be true, right? I mean, he was reading Floyds thoughts, right? Doesn't matter at all that Floyd accepted ALL of Pacs terms. And it doesn't matter that it was Team Pac that walked away from negotiations either. It does't even matter that Pac is now calling for the very same drug testing against a lesser fighter and all the excuses he had in 2009/10 have now been magically washed away. None of that matters...u know why? Because Bert "Flip Flop" Sugar said "It's Floyd's fault....he scared of losing the '0'", THAT'S WHY! I love logic, as I see you do too.

Yeah and last time I checked, Sylvester Stallone was inducted into HOF as well, so there goes that weak ass argument.

As I recall, my opinon of Mayweather/Marquez (as was many ) was that Floyd would be too fast, too smart and too technical for Marquez, even with a 14 month layoff. So yeah, my opinion does hold water, unlike your infallible Bert Sugar on that one.

*****? What are u, 11? Nope! Floyds a hypocrite for fighting Alverez at 152.

 

yes he is, but foresight is something we all fail at some point
catchweight was the only option

 

Yeah this boxing genius also said Shane would beat Floyd. He also said the JMM vs Money May fight was gonna be a true test and then renigged after the fight talking about it was a mismatch and then acted as though he'd said that from the beginning.

 

Bert sugar is a loud mouth know it all!!!!

 

First guy iv seen in along time that seems to actually have some boxing knowledge along with common sense. I jst want to emphasise the point tht early in floyds career, he was the ducked fighter.. he called out prince naz, kostya tszyu, shane, de la hoya.. none of them wanted to fight him because they knew he was a very skilled fighter with little money back..

 

sigh no 1 wants to even address this issue? **** this ill just copy and post this in every floyd hater thread