Ali and Cus D'Amato

that was part of a docu or a show. I remember Tyson said that Cus told him how to beat this guy or that guy and that Cus said one guy couldn't be beat and that was Ali.
So Cus had big respect for Ali and in the vid he probably tried to show Ali how one of his fighters could give him troubles with the peek a boo style even though Patterson was unsuccessful twice (but he is a lot smaller and was past his prime when he fought Ali, maybe even the first time).

 

Its part of a film Ali made when he couldn't box because of the draft thing, I think the film is called Ali. This was before Ali had fought foreman, frazier, norton, lyle, shavers, young, quarry, bugner, evangelista, etc. So it may not have been ENTIRELY out of line. In fact the best boxers ali beat at the time of that film was liston, williams, terrel, and patterson who may have had a bad back.

Tyson would not beat Ali for obvious reasons. Tyson got tired after 5-6 rounds and would be huffing and puffing and clincinh alot where this is when he'd likely end up like liston and get knocked out in 7-8 when ali would bombard him for 3 minutes.

 

I think Ali would of beat Tyson, but I don't agree with Tyson in his prime huffing and puffing by round 5 or 6. In his prime Tyson had very good stamina especially considering his action packed style, go and watch him go the distance with Tillis, Green, Smith and Tucker... Or his KO's of Thomas and Biggs who he completely smashed in round 6 and 7. Stamina was definitely not an issue with a 18-21 year old Tyson. Even in 1991 after Tyson had obviously deteriorated as a fighter he had no problem going 12 against Ruddock and that was an explosive fight.

So sorry you're chatting **** about Tyson huffing and puffing by round 5 or 6.

 

I think the video was called AKA: Cassius Clay. I seem to remember Cus thought Louis would beat Ali and it showed Schmelling in trouble on the ropes in the second Louis fight. Decent video, well worth a watch.

Funnily enough, I watched "An Audience With Muhammad Ali" the other day and Ali was asked who would have been his toughest opponent. He picked Marciano! He said he could beat the stand up boxer types but Rocky's style would give him trouble.

 

Ali would have stopped Cus easily

 

I've got that film. It's very good. Captures the times,and Ali's place in them,very well.

 

As i recall Cus was advocating Timing over speed and in demonstrating he actually caught Ali with a flicked jab which nicked Ali's lip, mid-late sixties early seventies there was some interesting film snippets from various shows, Ali teaching Clint Eastwood to hit the Speedball was one (i Think) i recall.

 

that was my thinking when I read that.

 

Watch Tyson in his prime, he gets tired alot late, he clinches onto guys. If you throw punches like Tyson most guys would be huffing and puffing after 1-2. Thats not **** talking. I've watched those fights, he clinched alot between the tough punching, and his opponent usually went along because they rather be clinched than punched. Stamina was an issue Tyson had a lung problem that he never disclosed but its widely speculated to be asthma. Ruddock was a far inferior fighter to tyson and far inferior to Ali. If Tyson was going to fight Ali (the boxer with the best stamina) it would look more like the buster douglas fight. When Tyson try to clinch Ali, he'd just throw him off and punch his face. Tyson clinched alot even in his prime, go rewatch his fights, I can probably count 10 clinches a round in most the fight you named that went over 5 rounds.

 

No one clinched and held more than Ali did.
If Tyson was a big clincher, we might have had a ballroom dance instead of a fight.

 

Patterson's bouts with Ali were more involved then the outcomes. In their first go Floyd should not have stepped in the ring as he had a bad disc problem in his spine and couldn't stand up all the way. I have zero question he would have lost against the prime Ali anyways but he could barely function as it was. In their second go, Floyd's last bout, he was ahead of Ali at the time of the cut stoppage and the peekaboo worked as it was attended. He was able to slip Ali and move inside with down and up combo's. Though much slower then in his prime it still it showcased Floyd's top of the line boxing knowledge.

 

In his prime Ali boxed at distance. Don't confuse prime Ali with post 1970 Ali. No heavyweight in my lifetime was as quick as prime Ali and his punches would slice opponents to ribbons.

 

Untrue. Ali was ahead on the cards ....3-3, 4-2, 6-0. Floyds eye was swollen shut at the end of the 6th round in a ho hum fight.

 

Ali only clinched frazier in the 2nd rematch, otherwise clinching was not necessary.