Carl Froch is one of the best boxers in in many years

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Danish Dawg, Jul 26, 2013.


  1. Danish Dawg

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    EDIT: I mean one of the best SMW boxers, sorry for being a little unprecise in my description, but that problem should have been fixed after you're finished reading this sentence.
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    Let's look at some of his victories.

    - 1) Brian Magee is an okay boxer, but Froch KO'ed him in the 11th round.
    - 2) Robin Reid was a very good boxer, but Froch won by TKO5.
    - 3) Jean Pascal is a very good boxer, but Froch outboxed him.
    - 4) Jermain Taylor is a good boxer, but Froch won by TKO12.
    - 5) Arthur Abraham is a very good boxer, but Froch outboxed him.
    - 6) Lucian Bute is a very good boxer, but Froch KO'ed him in the 5th round.
    - 7) Mikkel Kessler is a very good boxer, but Froch won the rematch.

    These things, when seen as a whole, should really, really make Froch considerable when talking about the best from the last tens of years.
     
  2. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    He looked like **** against Barney, Taylor, Dirrell, Johnson and Ward. A limited plodder with long arms and heavy hands, but no skill or speed. Groves will outpoint him on the backfoot.
     
  3. Danish Dawg

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    He looked bad about Barney, who cares, a fighter can't look good in every fight and he did win.

    There is nothing wrong with seeming bad against Taylor, who's a good boxer who has a style that is as made to cause problems to Froch, but Froch still ended up hammering his head so brutally that the referee had to stop the slaughter.

    Dirrell was robbed of a clear but boring victory against Froch, I truly agree with that, I actually just made a thread about how underrated Dirrell is, you should check it out and give me an answer.

    Almost everyone looks **** against Glen Johnson... But he did win.

    He looked **** against Andre Ward, true, but honestly, besides Dirrell and possibly Adonis Stevenson, which other modern boxers which are consideration-worthy opponents for Ward wouldn't look **** against Ward? Ward is simply that good.

    Don't try to take anything away from Froch's achievements, you're only trying to find negative perspectives to look at things from... Chill and enjoy Froch's art of boxing, mate, he got the heart of a warrior.

    And by the way... Froch will beat George Groves, don't doubt that.
     
  4. Pantera2000

    Pantera2000 9 lives Full Member

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    I don't disagree, but just think how good that makes Ward...
     
  5. Danish Dawg

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    Ward is very very good, possibly among the top 3 best SMW boxers ever. It's not even impossible that he's number 1, but I feel that he needs to prove a little more for that. He's close to getting there, though.
     
  6. Vyborg1917

    Vyborg1917 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If he's one of the best boxers in many years, why has he consistently failed to make; or only recently managed to scrape in to most educated boxing aficionados top ten p4p lists?

    Sure deserving of praise, but hardly elite.
     
  7. Danish Dawg

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    Which 10 SMW boxers have been better in the last 15 years? Ward and Calzaghe, seemingly Dirrell, and possibly Adonis Stevenson, hard to tell yet, and possibly Chris Eubank, that one is hard to determine. Froch is definetley one of the best SMW ever.
     
  8. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    Does anyone realllly think he's one of the best in the last 10 years? Give me a break. He's not that great.
     
  9. Danish Dawg

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    Which 10 SMW boxers have been better in the last 15 years? Ward and Calzaghe, seemingly Dirrell, and possibly Adonis Stevenson, hard to tell yet, and possibly Chris Eubank, that one is hard to determine. Froch is definetley one of the best SMW ever.
     
  10. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    #1 Dean Francis
    #2 Joe Calzaghe
    #3 Andre Ward
    #4 Andre Dirrell
    #5 Bernard Hopkins (170)
    #6 Ronald Wright (170)
    #7 Robin Reid (younger)
    #8 Mikkel Kessler (younger)
    #9 Frankie Liles
    #10 George Groves
    #11 Sven Ottke
    #12 Carl Froch
     
  11. Danish Dawg

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    Calzaghe, Ward and Dirrell are the only ones who are better on that list.

    Reid was never better than Froch, although very close to his level at his prime. Kessler won a veery close decision against Froch in Denmark which could as well have been a draw, but Froch convincingly won the rematch against a slightly past-his-best but still tough Kessler. Kessler never seems to have been better than Froch, but about his equal, in my eyes. Groves will get beaten by Froch soon, then you will forget that though. Omar Sheika and Sven Ottke do we both know that aren't nearly as good boxers as Froch, lol, although Ottke would probably win a decision in Germany while getting totally dominated, like when he fought Reid.

    As you can see, one can't mention 10 SMW boxers better than Froch.
     
  12. Vyborg1917

    Vyborg1917 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What the hell is this mitigation? "best boxer" you said. Are all "best boxers" synonymous with the SMW division?

    The goalpost are in rapid flux apparently!
     
  13. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Kessler was at his best about seven years ago!

    Reid clearly beat Calzaghe and Ottke!

    PS - look, I edited the list ;)
     
  14. Danish Dawg

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    Sorry, edited my opening post now. Hope all confusion is cleared.
     
  15. Vyborg1917

    Vyborg1917 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well in that case YES. He's one of the best SMW boxers in many years; but surely that's only a rudimentary common sense statement?