name me five fighters who you think would beat royjj without doubt frm mw to smw

roy himself admitted after the second tarver fight that he only took the rematch with tarver because of the controversy of the first fight and that he should of just left it alone.

never wanted no part of tarver.

 

It's just sad that he doesn't get his due credit. There's nobody today at MW, SMW, or LHW who could have beaten the versions of Roy that campaigned at those weight classes, pre Ruiz. I also think that the Ruiz version of Roy would beat any CW today, and some HW's also.

 

If he didn't want a part of Tarver he would have never cut the 10 pounds of muscle he just put on to fight him.. Tarver had pissed him off, and he wanted to fight..

Am I doubting he regreted his decision? no.. But he clearly wanted a part of Tarver, or he would have stayed at HW.

 

fighting ruiz was no big thing.to the casual fan maybe but that was an easy fight to pick.roy took the ruiz fight because it was the bigger fight and easy to decide because he wanted no part of tarver

 

Roy fought Ruiz because Ruiz had a HW belt, and one of Roy's dreams were to win a HW belt, he had talked about it for years. It had nothing to do with not wanting to fight Tarver.

And at the time, many boxing experts thought Ruiz would just be too much man for Roy. We all know what can happen if a HW hits a former JMW.. It wasn't that easy to pick.

 

roy didn't give a **** about the fans

people in the business he respected? he very much cared what they thought. they were good to him for years. that and pride pushed him into that fight

 

If Roy said he was going to continue to fight at HW and ignored Tarver, no one would have given a **** except maybe Tarver..

Like I said, Tarver pissed him by crashing his Ruiz victory party, and Roy wanted to kick his ass for it.

 

all im saying is roy was human,flesh and bone and he had doubts jst like anyone.he knew boxing very very well.he grew up in gyms.all im saying is he knew a bad match up for himself and thats that.

 

I think he knew Tarver would present a challenge due to him being a big tall southpaw, that could counter well and had power.

It says a lot to me about Roy that he dropped weight to fight him, knowing it was going to be difficult.

 

Do some research. Go and watch the documentary - The Sweet Science.

You really make me laugh.

First off, he didn't have 6 months to bulk up, and second of all, he didn't have 8 months to lose it at all.

All you've done there, is looked at the difference between March 2003, and Nov 2003.

But what you obviously aren't aware of, is the fact that he kept his physique for a considerable amount of time, because he planned on having other fights at HW. He badly wanted a Tyson fight. But when that, and other fights weren't able to be made, he gave into Tarver and decided to go back to 175. Tarver had goaded him at every given opportunity all throughout the year, and he really got under Roy's skin. Roy got sick of it, and in the end he took the bait. So the weight was taken off in a hurry. Hindsight's a wonderful thing. He should either have fought at CW, or took a whole year off.

Now you're being extremely ignorant by saying "That's ALL he had to lose."

We're talking about a finely tuned athlete, who'd been boxing since he was 7. We're talking about a near 35 year old fighter, who turned pro in 1989, who'd fought nearly 50 pro fights.

There's no such thing as ALL.

We're talking about him losing around TEN POUNDS of actual muscle, within a short period of time. It wasn't ten pounds of fat, it was ten pounds of MUSCLE!

What Roy did was dangerous. He basically burnt through his muscle fibres and weakened his body. He'd never lost actual muscle before, and he had no expert help to take off the weight. He just ran everyday and burnt it away.

Roy was weakened, before he'd even entered his average camp.

He'd got nothing left after the 9th round. Now when have you ever seen him that exhausted? Yet you're telling me that it was nothing to do with the weight loss? Ha!

Your post is a joke!

Losing fat and losing muscle are as different as night and day.

 

You are the joke you fcking moron. Once I got as for as you claiming 8 months is a long time. I treated the rest as i would toilet paper.

You really need to get a life and stop posting fairy tales trying to portray your sub human **** of a dog fighting, drug cheating hero as being something special.

He bulked up 7 or 8 pounds, not the 10 that a lying **** like you claims, and on his frame that is not the hardest thing to do, nor is it the hardest thing to lose.

So take your dick sucking excuses of the glass chinned piece of scum, and convince your fellow morons.

The rest of us have forgotten more than you'll ever learn about boxing, and seen far bigger, and better myths than that vermin exposed.

Know nothings like you have 2 problems.

1. With your fixations, whether they be about a person, religion, or the Ozone layer, or whatever else the over whelming majority of it is fanatical revisionist claptrap.

2. Your idiocy is surpassed only by your arrogance in as much as you really believe that everyone else is a stupid as you are.

It is the same in every instance, and with every fanatic. That is why you are nothing special, just another imbecile with an agenda, though to be fair most fanatics have far more interesting obsessions than Roid Jones.

 

He didn't have Roy's number.

Tarver wouldn't have beaten Roy pre Ruiz.

If Roy hadn't really have wanted Tarver, then he wouldn't have fought him.

The whole garbage man stuff is also grossly overrated. Go and pull up ANYONE's resume, and they'll be subpar opposition on there somewhere.

He beat Hopkins, Malinga, Toney, Sosa, Johnson, Griffin, Hill, Del Valle, Harding, Tarver, Woods, Gonzalez, and even went to HW and dominated Ruiz.

But it's still not enough is it?

Only Roy could dominate at top ten HW at 34, after nearly 50 fights and get no credit.

We could also have seen fights against Holyfield and Hopkins, if Hopkins hadn't have priced himself out, and Holyfield had have beaten Ruiz in their third fight.

Roy wasn't content on fighting bums. Do you seriously think that a guy who was reluctant to take challenges, would have gone up to HW?

It's ridiculous!

 

He'd have fought him in 2000 if he'd have beaten Harding. Tarver lost the eliminator against Harding, and then Roy fought Harding, who was also a southpaw. He wasn't just a southpaw, he was a huge southpaw.

 

What a joke!

Why don't you list me all the guys that have been former MW and SMW champs, and then gone up to fight atop 5 guy.

He got criticised for fighting the Kelly's of the world, so at 34, after 50 fights, he went up to HW to fight a guy who'd beaten and knocked down Holy who wasn't shot to **** at that point.

He had no idea how the extra weight would affect him, and he'd never been in the ring with anyone who'd weighed over 175 at the weigh in.

Ruiz weighed 220 pounds.

Give the guy some credit. It's just sheer ignorance not to give him credit. He had no business fighting at HW.

Let's see how many of today's 168 and 175 guys go up to fight a HW, ANY HW.

 

Ha!

Hurling insults around because your hate filled post has been destroyed.

Priceless!

What are you talking about 8 months?

He had LESS than 8 months to lose the weight.

He was a SOLID 196 against Ruiz, with hardly any body fat.

He weighed in at 175 against Tarver.

He then rehydrated up to around 186 on fight night.

He lost around TEN POUNDS of muscle.


You've forgotten more about boxing, than I'll ever learn?

Clearly!

As proven by this gem here:

"Nor is it the hardest thing to lose!"

atsch

You're telling everybody on here, that a pro boxer at nearly 35, who lost TEN POUNDS of MUSCLE, and who dropped 21 pounds of overall weight in a short time frame, WASN'T A HARD THING TO DO??