Rocky Marciano's so called punching power

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What scares me is when all the sage old-timers die out, the new generations--as represented recently on this venerable forum--will be free to spout their inaccuracies, undeterred, on our sport.

I can see the day Ali and Louis are forever banished to the basement of top-ten lists, as more Klitschko-level modern behemoths emerge.

It will still be wrong.

 

That spot would be reserved for Ali and Louis. But their praise is warranted in your book, isn't it you little anti-white racist?

 

Louis was a decrepit old fossil and was moving in slow motion. He was a shell of his former self. And he wasn't a big heavyweight in his prime either, right around 200 lbs. The fact is Marciano did not beat anyone who was "quite a bit bigger" and was actually any good. I think Marciano hit hard for his size but he did nothing that would suggest that he hit anywhere near as hard as the big heavyweight power punchers.

 

err.. because they are much better, maybe?

I praise the hell out of Marciano. He was a great cruiserweight when they called that division heavy. I still rank him as one of the great pound for pound fighters, but he was reaching at 185 to compete with guys even a few pounds heavier... who were older... who were beaten up... who were long in the tooth... He would have no place against elite 210 and above heavies. His stock falls off dramatically.

Dempsey was a great talent, with a winner take all mentality, but he wasn't built for risky championship fightings, as his management well knew. On a one-off he might KO anybody. But playing the odds, he is not going to KO the elite of the history of the division... and certainly not Ali, who was not stopped until his ancient age.

Do your ****ing homework.

 

Seamus is the whitest guy in White City, Whiteland. He has a Henry Maske poster on his wall. The reason he rates Ali and Louis highly is because they deserve it.

 

Shawn Kemp and his so called boxing opinions make me laugh.

 

Personally I would find your post "hilarious", if it wasn't so blatantly agenda driven.There is film of Marciano banging a 300lbs bag and making it dance all over the place.The guy had genuine heavyweight power.
If you want to query his abilities , you might be better off questioning if he could weather the power of "genuine heavies" that would seem to me to be a more pertinent question.

 

It is amazing to me how many here do not understand styles and the ability to land opposed to power ...

Marciano was a murderous puncher at crusier with either hand. There is no doubt about it ... he kept his power late as well ... I do not rate him w a Liston or a Foreman or a Lewis but I also don't rate Tommy Hearns with Marciano ... weight does matter ... that is why there are divisions ...

 

With all due respect,I have come back to this site from a period of abstinence ,reading some of the posts on this thread makes me wonder why I did.
Marciano broke blood vessels in opponents arms ,he snapped Layne's front teeth off at the nubs.
Marciano ruined opponents ,and they were seldom the same after meeting him.
Jersey Joe Walcott was asked to compare Marciano's power with Joe Louis's ,Walcott who was sitting next to Louis at the time ,said Marciano had better one shot power. OH ,I forgot prime Louis never weighed much above 200lbs so he couldn't hit as hard as Bryd either right?

 

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Questioning Rocky Marciano's delivery system against he Modern Super-heavyweights has far more merit than questioning his power. He carried late power for a reason and there has been numerous accounts in which the Rock actually trained specifically so that he can come in as lean as possible so that he could carry his power late.

James Toney was never known for his punching power; he was a decent puncher but never really regarded as a monster puncher even during his SMW, LHW days. So it's not really surprising that when he came up in weight it was with the expectation that he'd knock out the bigger guys. To be fair he did drop Evander Holyfield who seldom when down.

It seems as though you are asking for an example which doesn't exist. Who could the Rock have fought during his day that would have given you a proper litmus test of his power? He fought in a era where the big modern size heavyweights were simply not good.

When I used to post here more frequently I did a thread asking ESB one fundamental question, do fighters get more credit for beating a big and powerful Goliath as opposed to the small and cagey David? While some of the answers to that direct question seemed to reflect that skills trumps size I have a hard time reconciling that particularly with all this talk about how modern heavyweights who were journeymen in their own era would have somehow ruled as undisputed champions in other eras where the average size of the contenders were smaller.

The reality is this:

Shannon Briggs could not hit as hard as Mike Tyson or even Tommy Morrison. But he was bigger and bulkier. Chris Byrd came into some fights heavier than Joe Frazier but I think it would be absolutely foolish to claim that Byrd hit harder.

I don't think that Rocky Marciano hit as hard as Foreman, or Tyson but I think he hit hard enough to KO fighters in today's heavyweight division.

 

Louis outsized most of his opponents? Actually he fought many men much bigger than himself.

The comparison was between Marciano's one -punch power and Joe Louis's.

Walcott, who was on the receiving end of both twice each, picked Marciano as the heavier one shot puncher. The difference with fighters of the 40's and 50' s is that ,by and large they were in shape, unlike a lot of todays immobile fatties.

 

The Lion is Tommo...keep away.

 

Excellent contribution!:good

 

The bag can't fight back and you're out of your mind if you think that being able to move a bag proves anything.