Have PEDS dramatically improved fighters?

Yes, all these fighters are risking taking PED's and having their entire legacy tarnished, being remembered as an absolute disgrace to the sport of boxing because PED's don't actually help fighters lol::roflatsch

You're talking to a Team Elite Corporation General, the most respected members of the boxing fraternity, seriously where do these delusional ham n eggers come from atsch

 

So because Marquez last fought at Lightweight in November 2010, and in the next 2 years got more and more used to the higher weight culminating in him knocking out a bouncing idiot with a habit of lunging in hands down, he " must " have taken PED's?:roll::roll:

 

Every PED disgrace has a ready made bull**** excuse for if they get caught just like Roy Jones and the ripped fuel bull****.

Checkout what Peterson said when he was outed as a disgraceful cheat

"When I found out I checked all my shampoos!" -Seems like he conveniantly forgot that he had a large needle stuck in ass to insert testosterone pills :rofloops:atsch

 

I didn't forget anything or anyone (well, except Wlad :huh). I raised some examples of fighters who have either:

a) Failed a drugs test (Jones, Toney)
b) Confessed to doping (Mosley)
c) Been heavily implicated (Holyfield)

...and were successful across multiple weight divisions.

No agenda at all, especially not along the tedious lines you are suggesting. Just an attempt to cite examples in line with the topic of the thread, you know, in keeping with discussion board custom.

The facts surrounding the Jones case are (conveniently?) sketchy. The only primary source I have seen relating to the failed test is a letter from the IBF to Jones confirming that he tested positive for "anabolic steroid" (sic).

I've never seen a primary source that androstenedione was what Jones tested positive for, which is what the ripped fuel explanation obviously rests on. It may well be true, but the people who want us to buy the explanation have done a pretty shitty job of removing any doubt.

Which of Toney's positive tests are you talking about? The first or the second one?

Holyfield has never tested positive for steroids. He has been heavily implicated in the Applied Pharmacy bust amongst other things. Please try and keep up.

 

I suspect you know full well what I meant. That steroids coupled with training / extreme exercise do indeed help turn fatty tissue into muscle tissue, hence they are a favourite with body builders.

 

Early candidate for Post Of The Year 2013.

 

the best example is definitely Peterson against Khan.

the before and after version wasn't that good. just a bland middle of the road fighter. but against Khan, he looked 10x better. his strength and workrate had clearly increased.

 

You must be a Klitschko hater.:huh

First off it was Vitali...and second...it was as an amatuer, and like Toney it was prescribed.
Second, he admitted it prior to testing.

Third...Jones Jr tested positive for masking agents too.

4th.......Holyfield was being fed roids from his physician. When the investigators called Evan Feilds at Holyfields # he answered.:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2782402

jones never tested postitive for masking agents. you probably heard that from the dumb asses on these boards that make up ****. jones reportedly tested positive for andro which was made illegal by the ibf but was legal to buy over-the-counter in the US at that time. andro is considered an "anabolic steroid" even today.

if you believe jones used peds for every punch he threw because of this, that's your business but he reportedly tested positive for something you could have bought at the store. the other **** you read on these boards is all made up or opinion. i've shot down every chump that's stated otherwise. you can check my old posts if your interested. jones had to be tested on many other occasions and came up clean but you don't hear about those.

if the truth comes out eventually that jones used peds on a number of occasions, then all the crap he gets on these boards would be well deserved. but as of right now, that is not the truth.

 

of all the times that i've known fighters were using....i didn't see any significant improvements.

vargas/dlh
mosley/dlh 2
toney/ruiz
peterson/khan

i hear a lot of people crying about it like it is a problem. floyd made it a big deal with pacquiao because he didn't believe what pacquiao was doing was possible without enhancement. i disagreed. i believe pacquiao's run had more to do with careful opponent selection, weight gain/drain stipulations and just general good timing by pacquiao's ppl. all of the opposition he's looked great against had several things in common. i.e. coming off of wars or beatdowns, trainer issues, having to drain to make weight. plus i believe pacquiao was good too! all of that led to pacquiao looking spectacular. is it possible he was using? sure. there are signs that indicate he may have been. one of the main things was his physique. if you look at his last 3 fights....all losses in my opinion...his body wasn't as ripped as it used to be. i've not tested him though...so i can't say for sure.

 

not to mention...jmm was practicing that very punch. he was going for the ko in this one and was determined to take it out of the judges hands. he wasn't trying to box and outscore pac...he was trying to put him to sleep. mission accomplished.

 

but in the previous fights...marquez was trying to win rounds and outscore pacquiao. in the last one he was going for the ko. that was plainly obvious.

 

good post. i agree. p.e.d's don't give u skills or power. u either have them or you don't.

 

no it's physically impossible for fat to turn into muscle. You can lose fat and replace that fat with muscle, or already be muscular and lose the fat on top of your muscles

but you can't turn fat into muscle

 

What people are missing so far in this debate, is that boxing is such a corrupt sport that you are effectively able to pay for yourself to test clean, even whilst you are clearly on PEDs.

You can both pay for your own testers, as well pay authorities to cover up any positive results. Even more so that track and field, boxing is a sport with a lot of PEDs and lots of reasons to keep that hidden and under wraps.