Have PEDS dramatically improved fighters?

Barely blinked?

That same overhand right that knocked Pacquiao down was the same punch that hurt him in their first fight...not too mention the many times he had rocked and stunned him with many hard counters, mostly in their first 2 fights, when they were both much younger and fresher.

 

add more muscles but maintain his weight and speed,you get the right power to put down a beast.

we have seen jmm ripped as **** on his entire career at his advanced age. could have been ok if he was that ripped when he was knocking out Kats, Diaz and toothbrush.

 

Ask the slick boxers brigade.

Bey
Pederson
Berto
Tarver
Jones
Mosley

 

Wtf? Mosley, Berto, Peterson slick?

 

JMM has always had a muscular frame, he looks more muscular now of course, but its nothing some proper S&C couldn't do.

and honestly, JMM has lost a lot of his speed....just look at his last few fights and he looks slow as **** compared to his Featherweight days, **** even compared to his Lightweight days.

His timing has always stayed sharp, that's whats helped him a lot.

 

he lost his speed,but not a lot. of course, bulking like that while not compromising his needed speed to execute that kind of power is damn hard to do.

 

Marquez hired the world's top steroid expert as his conditioning coach, also known as the best at cheating drug testing. The guy testified against his own to keep from going to prison, yet Marquez hired him?! What a disgrace.............

 

He did lose quite some I feel...the extra bulk will do that of course. And like I said, its been his timing that has helped him a lot.

 

I remember Ariza wasn't working with Pacqiao for the Marquez fight because Packy was getting leg

cramps.Then Marques hired memo, Ariza warned that Pacquiao not doing the Ariza nutritional and

conditioning program would prove bad.

 

How many times does this delusional dumbass Roy Jones Jnr fanboy have to be schooled on the subject :nut

Checkout the quotes from the only 2 neutral independent bodies in the whole investigation Jacob Hall (Indiana commissioner) and the IBF. These are 100% reliable not your pathetic subjective media articles that have been briefed by Jones' camp as part of a deliberate cover up exercise :deal







firstly the Indiana Commisioner Jacob Hall







Boxinginsider.com: Did Roy Jones test positive after his fight against Richard Hall?

Jacob Hall: “Both of them did. Roy Jones tested positive for steroids. He was five or six times over an acceptable level. Hall was about ten times above an acceptable level. He didn’t mention that in his interview (the now infamous interview of July 18 with Bragging Rights Corner and Doghouse Boxing).

A letter was sent to both (Jones and Hall). The Indiana Boxing Commission followed up – I talked to Jones’ people and said we were going to declare the fight a no-contest, suspend and fine him. And at that time, Jones’ attorney Fred Levin and the Indiana Attorney General’s office got involved.

Indiana has no law on drug testing as probably the majority of the states in the U.S. do not. The drug testing company sent us the results. Most states that don’t have drug testing laws, the test results go back to the sanctioning bodies. I think most people are surprised at that. What do the sanctioning bodies do when they get positive test results? Suspend? Fine? They didn’t in this case. And there’s no way you’re going to know about it.

Through his attorney, Jones admitted he had been taking an over-the-counter product called Ripped Fuel. That’s not illegal but it is an anabolic steroid according to the IBF and other other sanctioning bodies.



Boxinginsider.com: So he did test positive. He did take Ripped Fuel.

Whether that’s what he took or not we don’t know, but he did test positive and admitted to taking a steroid.


The IBF chose to do nothing. They wanted a second test to be done. But why take a second test when he failed the first one and admitted to taking a steroid? That’s where it ended.

No action was taken. Nobody did anything.

We couldn’t take action (because there is no drug testing law in the state of Indiana) but what we agreed to was before his next two fights, Roy Jones would submit the results to more drug tests to Indiana. One fight was in Louisiana and those results were negative. And the other was in California, and those results were negative.

What surprised me about this is that the IBF chose not to do anything. And I have documents…what I’m saying, I can back-up. So I’m not concerned with that.

Roy Jones’ people were very cooperative and very easy to work with to reach a settlement. Also, I did tell Roy Jones that there are some amateur boxing clubs here in Indiana and he did send a check in the amount of $250 for the Indianapolis PAL.”

Boxinginsider.com: Wow, that’s hard to believe – that only one media outlet from France has called you about this.

Jacob Hall: “All I saw on any of the websites was that Murad Muhammad said Roy Jones tested positive for take some (nasal decongestant). But that was innaccurate. This was not a nasal decongestant.”

Boxinginsider.com: Does the state of Nevada have a law on drug testing?

Jacob Hall: “Yes. Most states do not. Nevada does have drug testing. I think most people are surprised at that…they think all boxers are tested. For some time I’ve tried to get a law passed similar to Nevada but we haven’t got that done yet. If the sanctioning bodies choose not to take action, there isn’t a lot the state commissions can do. That’s why I’m in favor of a Federal Commission like the one Senator John McCain is proposing.”











Heres Marian Muhammad (head of the IBF)

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QUESTION: Ms. Muhammad, may I ask you if in fact the IBF was the lead organization for the Jones-Hall championship fight in May 2000?

MMUHAMMAD: No, it was the WBA’s lead…

QUESTION: May I ask you then why did the letters notifying Roy Jones, Jr. and Hall about their positive tests for anabolic steroids came from the IBF?

MMUHAMMAD: Because they tested positive for substance(s) that are supposed to be banned by our organization. Roy took our title into the ring; it doesn’t matter who the lead organization was. It doesn’t matter if you tested positive for something that was against any of the organization’s rules.

QUESTION: To the best of your knowledge can you tell me if you know whether the other organizations took any kind of action on this matter. Did they send a letter, anything?

MMUHAMMAD: No, not to the best of my knowledge, they didn’t and I communicated directly with Mr. Jones, Mr. (Richard) Hall because I got the positive specimens back. I told them what the IBF rules said.

QUESTION: I realize that you were not the president of the IBF when this fight took place, so I hope this is not an unfair question. But, was the IBF supposed to have acted on those positive tests?

MMUHAMMAD: To the best of my knowledge, yes.

QUESTION: Should the organization have done something?

MMUHAMMAD: The rules state that if he tested positive the second portion of the specimen should have been sent to a lab of his choice and the local Commission for testing, and if that specimen came back positive, then that could be grounds for vacation of the title.

QUESTION: According to my conversation with Jacob Hall, Richard Hall’s attorney asked that the second specimen be tested, and it is my understanding that nothing was done regarding Richard Hall. Did the rules not apply to him?

MMUHAMMAD: Remember, the WBA was the lead here, it was a WBA mandatory. If Hall had been the IBF champion… the only thing we could do was test the winner, and the winner happened to be Roy Jones, Jr. who was the champion. Richard Hall wasn’t even rated by the IBF.

QUESTION: And to the best of your knowledge, (and ours), they didn’t, correct?…

MMUHAMMAD: Well, I only know that on Richard Hall we got nothing but I have a positive test from Roy Jones, Jr. that was directed to Mr. Jake Hall at the Indiana Boxing Commission, indicating that Mr. Jones tested positive for anabolic steroids.

QUESTION: I realize that 2-1/2 years have gone by, and perhaps you don’t remember… but I have copies of the letters sent by the IBF to Richard Hall and to Roy Jones, and they both bear your signature, as then Secretary of the organization…

MMUHAMMAD: That’s correct and there was also another one that Ms. Knight herself asked me to send… She asked me to send them, (the letters), I sent them. Then she herself sent one to … it was directed to Roy Jones telling him that she hadn’t heard from him about the results from Specimen B and that she was directing him to contact this office no later than the close of business on Friday, August 25, 2000.

QUESTION: The fight was in May? Why such of long lapse of time?

MMUHAMMAD: I can’t tell you… Once I did what she asked me to do, it went from there… I don’t know what happened after that…

QUESTION: Can you think of any reason why this situation was never unearthed before the Richard Hall interview with Bragging Rights Corner’s Aladdin Freeman?

MMUHAMMAD: Well, I really don’t know… I know that I saw something on the net at one time, immediately after the fight, but nobody never called me, and when I spoke to Jacob Hall after I got his letter, he said that the Indiana Commission had no way to deal with anabolic steroids intake because it was not covered in their rules, not even banned by Indiana, so he couldn’t do anything anyway, that’s what he told me.

I was not aware of any of the arrangements that were made between Fred Levin, Roy Jones’ attorney and Mr. Jacob Hall from the Indiana Boxing Commission. (Editor’s Note: Ms. Muhammad is referring to the charitable contribution which was asked of Roy Jones, Jr. and which he submitted, in the form of a check for $250, dated Oct. 27, 2000, to the Indianapolis Police Athletic League).


QUESTION: I would like to ask you if you have been asked any questions regarding this incident and Roy’s use of a sinus medication which according to some members of his camp could have caused the positive test results…

MMUHAMMAD: No one has… I’ve only spoken to Jake Hall, period. I’ve never spoken to anyone from Roy’s camp including his attorney. I haven’t spoken to anyone from any internet sites, I DON’T READ THEM, believe it or not. Nobody has ever called me about Roy Jones testing positive.

QUESTION: Are you aware that members of Roy Jones, Jr. have gone on record saying that his sinus medication could have been the culprit for his positive reading?

MMUHAMMAD: This is the first I’ve heard of any of it since 2000, nobody has ever contacted me about anything, and like I said, when it was going on I only communicated with Jake Hall, period.

 

PEDS can't help a Glass Jaw.

 

I think they can. Anything that adds strength, muscle and helps you work out longer.

 

Compare and contrast Marquez from the 3rd fight to this fourth one lol. A controversial split decision loss to a brutal, sleep type KO with two knockdowns in the process.

 

He was fighting a completely different style of fight though. That much was very obvious. But you're right the newfound power was a little uhh...strange :huh.

 

PEDs will have positive effects for most fighters ability to maintain a higher work rate but it does nothing for a fighters skills, technique, perseverance and heart. PEDs will never improve a fighter dramatically once they reach a certain level because there's a very small pool of truly elite or even special fighters who got there by God given talents, ability and mentality. Not everyone can be a fighter. ....even fewer can reach the status of a world champion. Although today, it's a lot easier to grab a "title" due to the influx of championship belts.