Have PEDS dramatically improved fighters?

ROFLMAO Sure Roy only drank that can of juice .?? I guess him & Richard Hall shared one huh?? They BOTH tested positive & it was swept under the carpet for a long time atsch

 

You only have to look at Shane Mosely?? He was juiced when he outlasted Oscar but got away with it How many more times did he juice?? Look at his lethargic performances before & after the Margarito fight. Against Margarito he was a raging non stop punching beast energy to burn yet against Mayweather when he had to be clean he gassed after 3 rounds.

 

the only 2 neutral independent bodies??? so kieran mulvaney, a respected british boxing writer, is part of the jones coverup? mulvaney also reported that richard hall tested positive for andro as well. is he covering for hall as well? mulvaney is basically confirming the stories you posted but you don't like the substance that is listed there because it was legal to buy at the time.

i love the whole coverup argument. like the mainstream boxing media wouldn't break this story if there was something more to it. the majority of the boxing media hates jones but you want me to believe they're covering for him.

a few months back i spent a lot of time on this subject and i know you remember it. i ended up winning the argument. you tried to chime in with your hateful posts but you offered nothing that hasn't been seen a million times on these boards and you were eventually run off.

btw, how do you feel about enzo mac and brian magee? they're brits with the same story as jones but i know you feel different about them because of where they're from.

 

Are you trying to argue that a subjective boxing writer as a source carries the same kind of relevance in this matter as the Indiana Commissioner and the IBF? :nut

Do you actually believe that PED cheats don't come prepared with ready made cover excuses? How often do you believe a proven juicer comes out to the media and states "Yeah I juiced, I'm a ****ing cheat" atsch

Are you really that naïve to believe that corrupt boxing promoters and crooked governing bodies have been truly interested in catching drugs cheats over the past 13 years (especially the early 2000s)?

Are you that blind that this only came out years after it happened and by that time Jones attourney had tipped off the media with the andro bull**** and the whole cover up story?

I have just fell of the chair laughing, you mean the debate where my last post actually came after yours did and the thread where you repeatedly ducked questions I asked you :roflatsch

You mean the debate where juice20 made your fanboy stance look completely futile as he dominated you in discussion with outstanding scientific research whilst you continued to argue with subjective media sources like some kind of delusional fanboy who could not see the wood for the tree's :deal

Enzo Mac and Brian Magee are an absolute disgrace to the sport imo. ALL PED CHEATS SHOULD BE OUTED - SHAMED - BANNED FOR LIFE regardless of what country they come from.








Hopefully this time you may feel a bit braver and be able to answer some questions I have for you so please rid your reputation as a question ducker and directly answer the following questions to the best of your ability


1 - what year do you think PED testing was introduced into american boxing?

2 - Who was the first american boxer to fail the test for banned steroids on american soil and what year was that?

3 -When they admitted guilt and Jones refused to have his B sample tested at a laboratory of his choice, do you not think Roy's attourney worked out the best damage limitation scenario for Jones?

4 - Do you understand that the Indiana Commisson and the IBF did not have any evidence that Jones took ripped fuel?

5 - Do you not understand that this had a carefully planned damage limitation excuse written all over it via a few leaks to the media?

6 - I want you to tell me why kieran mulvaney would know it was andro but yet the Indiana commissioner and the IBF didn't state it was andro?

7 - I want you to tell me why boxing writer kieran mulvaney as a source carries more weight in your opinion than the source of the neutral, objective source of the Indiana Commissioner and the IBF?

 

That's the hilarious thing, some of these ham n eggers believe that the only time their idol genuinely juiced was in the fights they were caught in lol::roflatsch

And even then they religiously believe the carefully planned cover up stories their idol's camp have designed

Mosley didn't even get caught by testing for the Oscar fight atsch

 

Forreal. Mosley been juicing. Oscar too probably.

 

I would put my bottom dollar on it though we'll never know. There are so many American based athletes from that era who have now retired and gotten away with it, the proven cheats like Carl Lewis, Marion Jones, Roy Jones, A-Rod, Shane mosley, Evander Holyfield, Lance Armstrong, James Toney are gonna have to carry the can for all of them when deep down they will have known many of their rivals were doing the exact same thing.

 

Not just American but everywhere.

 

Head,

You better believe many boxers world wide have gotten away with it over the past several decades... Some we probably consider to be greats of the sport.:yep

It isn't just an American problem, or even a boxing problem, it is everywhere, in all sports.

 

Absolutely. In worldwide testing you will see numerous failures from russia, india, china, belarus, ukraine etc etc. Moreso than US failures. Other countries have in the past, and likely still do have PED regimens as part of their official training and preparation philosophy.

 

Roy Jones is a Glass Jawed CONVICTED steroid cheat. It really isn't up for debate and it also answers a lot of questions about his career and why he did and did not do certain things.

 

1. ped testing depends on the state. nevada started in 2002 according to articles we've seen but i've found evidence of livingstone bramble testing positive for ephedra in 1985 and this fight was in nevada.

http://books.google.com/books?id=or...0CGYQ6AEwCDgU#v=onepage&q=wba scandal&f=false

2. if what is above is true, it was livingstone bramble but i would think there's other incidents out there.

3. this is possible but when you admit guilt, is there any reason to test the B sample? there was a positive test and admitted guilt. i'm not sure what you're reaching for with the B sample not being tested.

4. yes, but understand the commission and the ibf do not do the testing. that's done at a lab. andro, as reported, is considered an anabolic steroid. that's why the ibf sent the letter to jones.

5. sure, every time a positive test comes up, there's always a story. see brian magee for the latest one. jones' story didn't come out for almost 3 years but why do you think the ibf decided not to do anything to jones?

6 & 7. mulvaney, along with other sources, have reported that it was andro that jones and hall both tested positive for. you're claiming that mulvaney is just writing what he was told by jones' people. i've never heard anyone from jones' camp say anything about andro, just ripped fuel. please post any proof of this if you have it. any drug test that comes up positive list what the substance is. you don't like the fact that it's andro that was reported so you question mulvaney's credibility in a very good and informative article he wrote back in 2007. should we question everything mulvaney reported in the article now?

ok, your turn to answer questions but i'll help you.

1. is it true, that you told me in the past that jones' positive test result was part of a steroid testing pilot program that started in 2001? never mind that jones-hall happened in 2000.

2. is andro considered an "anabolic steroid"? here's some help for you.
http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/W...ed-list/2012/WADA_Prohibited_List_2012_EN.pdf
look at the bottom of page 2. also here's a proof that andro was considered a steroid in 1997.
http://healing.answers.com/herbs/testosterone-and-androstenedione-health-risks

3. was andro available over-the-counter, in supplements, in the US at the time that jones tested positive? again, here's more help for you.
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-suppl...ntId=780&activeIngredientName=ANDROSTENEDIONE

4. what is your problem with the substance being reported to be andro? jones tested positive for a substance that is considered to be an "anabolic steroid" and admitted it. personally i think it bothers you that jones was caught for something you could legally buy at the store. (by the way, no one ever mentions that the guy he fought that night had twice the amount of andro in his system compared to jones)

if you can prove otherwise, please do. no more ibf letters and indiana commission interviews. we've all seen them over and over. we know jones tested positive. show me proof that the andro reports are false and you'll have won this argument. good luck!

 

From all my research,

It can't be completely proven that Jones was or wasn't taking Andro. Though it seems I remember reading an article in Ring Magazine a while back that stated Jones and Hall both tested positive for Andro.. The fact of the matter is, Jones admited to taking an anablolic steroid that was banned by the IBF, so they didn't see a point in testing sample b.. As stated above.

Though I don't believe for one second that steroids were responsible for Jones super human like physical gifts.. I think he was a special fighter regardless.

 

I can also see what Headbanger is saying..

That the andro story was constructed for the least most damage possible to Roy's name, as he was busted either way, and andro was banned by the IBF but could be purchased in a store. People seem to be more light hearted about things that are purchased over the counter and not from a private dealer..

 

yes that is true, that was something I repeated from an excellent poster General Zod who once created an excellent thread on Jones being a drugs cheat.

You're still harping on about a typo after all this time, talk about being butthurt at the shallackings you've received :rofl

What legitmate source has ever reported that Jones took andro?

What legitimate source has ever reported that Jones took andro?

The fact that no neutral legitimate source (Indiana Commisioner or the IBF) in the entire saga has ever stated that what Jones took was andro. They are the only 2 reliable sources and yet they are the 2 sources you scurry away from every single time

That is a fact, well done :good

No what bothers me is fanboys swallowing hook line and sinker Roys cover up story. There was never any proof that Ripped fuel is what caused the test. This is what Indiana Commissioner Jacob Hall said when asked if jones took ripped fuel

"Whether that’s what he took or not we don’t know"

Yes they do, its a very common fanboy line. I don't think anybody could argue that Richard Hall is an absolute disgrace to the sport of boxing.

What a ridiculous statement

1st of all it has never been proven that Jones took andro or that it was ripped fuel that caused the positive test.

Secondly, the IBF and the Indiana commissioner are the only 2 reliable sources in the entire saga. Your stance is the equivalent of taking a murder case to court and expecting the jury not to take any notice of the only 2 neutral, reliable witnesses :nut

Its more like show me proof that the andro reports are true from a proper source (ps, you needn't bother trying because no source you could provide could ever be as reliable as the Indiana Commissioner or the IBF).