The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

Manny by brutal ko! and floyd Sr., rescue him by punching Freddie Roach's nuts!

 

Time to take this fool to school, listen up and take notes:

I didnt know shoulder rolling was floyd's only way of defending. Anyhow, the shoulder roll does work against southpaws, floyd has perfected his defense. Floyd struggled against corely? ..He had early trouble with zab for about 3 rds and that was it. Floyd has lost a total of 3rds vs all south paws combined

Shoulder rolling is not the only way of defending, BUT its Floyds primary form of defense, however since it doesnt work very well against southpaws (The southpaw can take a step to his left and shoot the left hand to the head or body) Floyd tends to use the high guard and walk southpaws down (He didnt do this against Guerrero because Guerrero was too slow to get into position to do any damage, but he employed it against Corely, Judah & Ortiz).
Floyd was hurt badley against Corley & was knocked down by Judah both southpaws if thats not struggling WTF is??

If he tries to walk through shots he wont see past 8rds if that. There is a reason no fighter just walks through floyds shots. I cant remember the last fighter floyd didnt hurt at least once in a fight.

Another stupid a$$ comment, virtually everyone Floyd has fought tries apply pressure & get on the inside, this suprisingly involves having to take a shot or two to get on the inside, who was the last fighter who fought Floyd on the outside? Who has tried to counter Floyd? who has moved around and looked to stick and move against Floyd?
So Pac why wouldnt make it past round 8 when guys like Castillo x 2, Boldomir, Guerrero, De La Hoya & a china chinned Judah where able to easily go 12 rounds with him?
Are they better then Pac?
Even a supreme counter puncher in Marquez was forced to play the bull and pressure Floyd, so its obvious Pac would have to come forward, but Floyd wouldnt be employing the shoulder roll but would employ the high guard and possibly even try to stand his ground. Which would even the odds even more.

Because those guys have tremendous defense

So Cotto, Hatton and Margarito have 5hitty defenses, Cotto & Hatton have such bad defenses that Pac was able to destroy them, then why did Floyd struggle so badly against them?

Pac's feet always look amazing against stationary targets but against Juan, Tim and Erik his feet look average and off balance. I wonder why.

So Barrera, De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Moseley & Margarito where all stationary targets where they?

As for Marquez Pac was able to put him down 5 times, he beat Morales prime out of him & easily beat Bradley (We all know he was robbed).

So whats your point, Pac attacks & he will always be open for the odd counter shot, that doesnt make his footwork bad, despite him taking the odd counter he inflicts major damage on his opponents, are you blind?

And pac arguably lost all 4 fights to Juan even with the 5Kd's. That speaks volumes

Why does this speak volumes? The first fight was scored a draw, when one of the judges admitted after the fight he scored the 1st round a 10-7 to Pac and not a 10-6 as it should have been, had this been scored correctly then Pac would have got the win in that fight aswel, Marquez is the one fighter Floyd has done better against then Pac, but Pac has still been able to drop and hurt Marquez on numerous occasions, this speaks volumes.
You blind dumba$$es are quick to pull Marquez out your a$$ whenever Pac v Floyd arguament is bought up, but you forget Pac easily out-performed Floyd against, De La Hoya, Cotto, Hatton & Moseley.
You also forget that Floyd arguably lost the 1st fight to Castillo.

 

if Arum and Roach thought Pacquiao had a good shot at beating
FMJ the fight wouldve happened. I believe Pac honestly he could beat FMJ, too bad his trainer and promoter had serious doubts.

And when all it said and done, FMJ recently signed a 250million dollar 6 fight deal w Showtime and when he beats Canelo, he will be Ring Champ at WW and JMW.

Pac, well, he was Nyquiled out by an old Marquez and will be fighting a Jww(Rios), who is also coming off a loss, at WW in China.

Boxing rules
Boxing fan first
Fav boxers: JCC Superstar, Tommy "The Hitman" Hearns, Juan Manuel "Dinamita" Marquez, Felix "Tito" Trinidad.

 

we'll never know....what we do know is that pac got floyd all scared for his health.

 

The one thing Floyd has going for him is he is most vulernable attacking a south paw, and pacman is aggressive and not known to lie in weight

To me it is a great matchup because you have pacman disabling alot of Floyd main great techniques, his arm bar move would work against him, pacman would jump back to make space and nail him coming in. If anyone can bruise up Pretty Bot Floyd it is him. Floyd doesn't have the power to knockout pacman. But he could theoretically turn his aggressiveness against him.

 

The shoulder roll works perfectly fine for floyd against south paws, its irrelvant to bring this up because if it doesnt work he'll adjust. You make it seem as if it cant work against a south paw which isnt true. And he doesnt always walk southpaws down, he walks down fighters who he feels the need to. It has nothing to do with stance. He doesnt fight any fighter any particular way he fights according to what he sees in the ring. Thats why he is tough to beat. Variety.
Floyd was hurt against corley for all of 10-15 seconds and came back to hurt corley in the same round. Floyd beat the hell outta chop chop. Corley didnt win any rds and was dropped/hurt multiple times. That isnt a struggle.
You make it seem like Zab dropped floyd, he didnt floyd's glove touched the canvas, that fight was clearly over by rd 5 zab got figured out and it was curtains. Zab won 3rds and was in route to getting stopped in rd 9 before the low blow.

Stop lying..

First off the shoulder roll does not work against a southpaw as Donaire demonstrates here:

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Secondly Floyd did use the high guard and walk Ortiz down, go watch the fight again, Floyd took the initiative and had Ortiz on the back foot, Floyd threw a lot of lead right hands (which work on southpaws) but he also ate a lot of left hands from Ortiz in the 1st 3 rounds, Floyd only tried the shoulder roll on a few occasions and got caught with the left hand whilst doing it.. Floyd stood out of range in the shoulder roll stance a lot but when he engaged he had BOTH hands high before shooting the lead right hand.
You say Roger was telling Floyd to walk Corley and Judah down, well if you watch the Ortiz fight again he was saying the exact same thing.

Against Guerrero Floyd used movement to win the fight, because Guerrero was too slow of hand and foot to pose Floyd any problems.

Corley did only trouble floyd for 10-15 seconds, but you can't deny Floyd was hurt. Floyd was supposed to beat up Corley, this was not meant to be a close fight.

Floyd lost the first 4 rounds against Judah & yes he touched down with his glove, but thats after a Judah right hook was sending him down.. Guess what thats a knockdown dumbass.
Also how was Zab on his way to getting stopped until the low blow in the 9th, why didnt Floyd then stop him once the action resumed? Wasn't he even more pi55ed off and determined to finish Zab off after what he had done, where his balls in that much pain he couldnt go for the KO? Your a Floyd nuthugger you tell me..

 

You said WALK THROUGH SHOTS, nobody has done that, last guy that wanted to walk through shots without being defensively responsible was hatton, he went to sleep. Walking through shots is completely different than smart pressure.


Yes I said walk through shots, because no matter how good your defense/head movement is Floyd is still going to catch you coming in, so Manny would have to walk through shots to get to Floyd, Especially being a southpaw open to one of Floyds favorite shots the lead right hand.

WTF do you mean nobody has done that, everyone who fights Floyd press the action and come forward & they get caught coming in due to Floyds speed and accuracy no matter how good they are.

How many knockouts has Floyd had in his last 5 fights? Guerrero- points, Cotto- Points, Ortiz- KO (this was a sucker punch when Ortiz had his hands down looking at the ref, Floyd had not hurt Ortiz prior to this point), Moseley- Points, Marquez- Points.



How about last 10 fights: Hatton- KO, De La Hoya- Points, Boldomir- Points, Judah- Points, Mitchell- KO.



So Floyd has KO'd 3 out of his last 10 opponents & your trying to make it out like he's some major league puncher, get the f*ck outa here.

He's got some pop but he aint no big puncher.

 

Judah has a glass jaw now?

In any event he was going to get stopped which was why he threw the low blow.


And none of those guys walked through floyds shots as you suggest Pac will. Contrary to belief Floyd can punch.


So Guerrero, Boldomir, Castillox2, De La Hoya and Judah didnt press the action and get caught by Floyds shots? WTF did they do then move around Floyd on the back foot? They came forward to fight and got caught by Floyds sharp accurate shots coming in (as anyone would) so they did walk through shots to get to Floyd & guess what they didnt get KO'd or knocked down.. As for Judah he's known to have a weak chin, how many times has he been KO'd? Even a non-puncher in Carlos Boldomir had him doint the chicken dance.



You seriously need to stop with the shoulder roll doesnt work against south paws bull****. And stop with the floyd is going to use a high guard **** also. As if either are true or if either means his defense some how takes a hit. Floyd doesnt lose the abilty to make people miss because of a simple guard. He has perfected the art of defense all aspects of it and add in his vision and ability to feel shots coming.


The last 4 south paws floyd has fought:

Chop chop got walked down behind a high guard

Zab got walked down behind a high guard



Listen to roger in the corner between rounds in those fights, he's telling floyd to walk both of them down, it has nothing to do with handiness of the opponent.


Ortiz: Floyd used movement and shoulder roll

Guerrero: Floyd used movement and shoulder roll



He he doesnt fight everyone the same. Period


These comments are just ******ed, Ive already answered these above, go watch Floyd vs Ortiz again, you make yourself sound stupid. Oh and theres a difference between making people miss & the defense you emply, just because he uses the high guard doesnt mean he cant move his head and use his reflexes to make punches miss.



Floyd having a tough fight against either is irrelevant when speaking of their defensive abilities. Hatton got stopped and miguel won only 2-3 rds.


Pac made easy work of hatton but he very much so was in a tough fight with cotto. Again its irrelevant because we are talking about their defensive abilities


So Floyd had an easier time against Cotto then Pacquiao? Are you being serious..

Pacquiao fought Cotto 1st at welterweight years before he fought Floyd, he had Cotto..

So Pac knocking Cotto down twice en-route to a 12th round KO, where the judges cards coming into the last round where: 109-99, 108-99 & 108-100 was a harder fight then when Floyd fought him & won a UD, in the interests of fairness the scorecards for the Floyd v Cotto fight where 117-111, 117-111 & 118-110, despite most people having the fight closer & Cotto complaining about the scorecards afterwards, also Cotto broke Mayweathers nose in that fight, that really makes sense doesnt it?



Just to make things clear before you start crying about the Pac v Cotto fight taking place at a catchweight of 145lbs, the fight before Cotto fought Pacquiao he fought Clottey and weighed in at 146, so he only weighed 1 pound less then the fight previous. Contrary to popular belief Cotto was making the 147lb limit easily and only moved up after the Pac loss because there Top Rank had an easy fight for him at 154 to win a title against in Yuri Foreman.





Defensively of those where so bad as you make out as they where, why didnt Floyd have an easier time with them? Why didnt the power puncher Floyd KO them?

 

Yes. Except for second MAB fight where he ran (Not suprised pac couldnt cut off the ring though). And which one of those guys have movement implemented in their game plans outside of DLH who was dead at 147.


Guys that used simple movement like MAB and Mosely made pac's feet look average because pac doesnt cut off the ring well. Cotto,Marg and DLH(at the time) lack foot speed and footwork. Sitting ducks. Hatton came in face first.



Again with this myth about Pac not having good foot movement, he didnt look amazing against Moseley & Barrera 2 why? Because Barrera came into the ring with the intention of not getting knocked out, Moseley did the exact same thing after tasting Pacquiao's power, its very very hard to Knockout or to even hurt an opponent who's sole intention is to survive, not to win, just to survive especially when those opponents a multi time world champions, Pacquiao won those fights easily & they where boring because neither Moseley or Barrera would engage or attempt to win.



Cotto, Marg, De La Hoya & everyone else Pacquiao has fought since moving up from 130 have come forward, why? Because Pac has been the smaller guy in all those fights.



Pac beat his prime out of him or did Zahir raheem do that? Go watch that fight and tell me Erik wasnt done before pac got to him.

And he did not easily beat bradley. fighting 30-40 sec a rd.



How could Raheem have beaten the prime out of Morales, was a brutal KO? Was it a one sided beating for 12 rounds? Raheem put on a good boxing show and boxed Morales but it wasnt one sided, in fact the ref missed a late knockdown for Morales which would have tightend up the scorecards even further, also this was Morales first fight at lightweight against a fully fledged lightweight.

It was a big upset but in no way was it an indication of what was to come with him losing twice by KO to Pacquiao.



As for the Bradley fight, the every man and his dog knows Pacquiao really won that fight.



You bring up DLh and mosely as if they wernt already finished by the time pac got to them. And you act like floyd didnt already knock hatton out before pac got to him. And Pac took far more punishment from cotto than floyd did. All of which is irrelevant.



Floyd didnt lose to castillo and for good measure in case anybody thought he did he rematched him an beat him clearly.



Pac arguably lost EVERY FIGHT to Juan.



Floyd did arguably lose to Castillo the first time, and again you make out that Juan would dominate Pacquiao had it not been for the knockdowns, but in the 3rd fight there where no knockdowns but the fight was still close & in the 4th fight Pacquiao was a point up despite them both having scored knockdowns and dominated the 6th until getting caught by the perfect counter from Marquez in the last seconds of the round.

I bring these 2 fight up because they had the least knockdowns in them so you can see Pacquiao is still 50:50 with Marquez without the knockdowns.



You seriously need to stop this bull5hit that Pacquiao took more punishement from Cotto when he clearly didnt, despite fighting him way before Floyd, conveniantly you also fail to mention that Hatton had way more success against Floyd & would have had more success had Joe Cortez not split them everytim Hatton got close enough to work the inside.

 

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I think 2008-2010, Manny would have outworked him. He would have on the cards by pressing the entire fight. The only way Floyd beats him is by dropping him or, even knocking him out. Back then Manny, seemed to not get hurt much and had tremendous stamina. Obviously that guy does not exist anymore.

 

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