What would Wilder have to improve to have a chance against Wlad?

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  1. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Don't get me wrong... I don't think he stands a chance right now. But clearly with his height and power he has the physical tools to make Wlad take his time and back up a step. I think everyone can agree that he needs work. But what does he need to work on specifically?

    For me:

    Defense
    He needs to improve his footwork and ring generalship, which, unfortunately for him, is only going to come with time. And he's just not getting enough of it in fights.


    Jab
    He has a strong jab, but I just don't know if he can actually place it against Wlad. He would definitely need to work on his jab placement.


    Straighter Punches
    If he is to have any chance on landing against Wlad, who is just as tall and long as him, he will have to work on straightening his punches.


    Stamina
    I know it's an unknown, but he will have to make sure he can be as active, with as much movement and defense in the late rounds. He isn't going to ever be able to put Wlad out in the early Rounds, as this version of Wlad is going to make him work for it. And I can see him down on the cards once the crafty veteran gets a hold of him.


    Chin
    We are all operating under the assumption that Wilder is the Khan of Heavyweights. We really can't be sure, can we? Since there's nothing he can do about his chin either way, this really needs no discussion.


    Assuming he fixes or at least works these weaknesses, how do you see a fight with Wlad? I'm interested in serious responses please.
     
  2. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    How can I tell? He doesnt get enough minutes in to properly gauge him.

    In seriousness though, I agree with your assessments. But the dude needs rounds.

    When he fights Arreola, it will tell us more then his entire career has combined.

    Id really think about fighting Guinn while waiting for Arreola though. Guinn is almost guaranteed to give him rounds and will keep him sharp and ready for Arreola.
     
  3. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Straightening the right is a big one, and while it's too late to teach him this now, teaching him to throw a straight left out of the southpaw stance would've been a nice trick. The other thing is developing a quick left hook and the ability to hook off the jab to take some of the predictability away from his 1-2.

    Realistically though, Wilder's best chance to beat Wlad is almost always going to be blitzing early and hoping he catches Wlad cold. Even if Deontay works on his stamina, has a solid chin, and develops his all around boxing ability, he's not going to catch up skill-wise to Wlad, who still hits plenty hard enough to KO him. There's just too big of an experience gap there.

    But sometimes, the less skilled fighter can catch the better boxer cold and put an end to the evening before the gulf in class can show itself. That's always going to be Deontay's best chance for winning against Wlad IMO.
     
  4. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Very difficult to form an opinion on Wilder's chances. I want to like him, but I haven't seen enough. His right hand is fast and powerful, his technique is ridiculous though and at this stage he won't learn new technique either.

    I still think he will run into some trouble against the first top 30 guy he faces. We'll have to see how he deals with that.
     
  5. boxingbull

    boxingbull Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Straighter punches defense footwork etc all of this will come in time I agree with others he needs rounds bad put him in there with Arreola, Adamek or Thompson until he goes past 8-10 rounds don't put him anywhere near a Klistschko
     
  6. Monogamous STD

    Monogamous STD Ya know, Quasimoto predicted all this. Full Member

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    I know there wasn't much time to judge him on but I thought Wilder looked pretty good for as long as it lasted. He's got the tools to work with. He didn't look amateurish like he did against Harrison.
     
  7. BlackBrenny

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    He needs to fight a durable opponent, Liakovich has been stopped 4 times and has had about 6 fights in 7 years

    Somebody like this, only a heavyweight version :

    Now THIS is the likes of an opponent who tests power, check out the guys he's been in with and surivived against, Perez, Masternak, Haye, Huck, Maccarinelli, Glowacki, only ever bene stopped once, in the last round by Wlodarczyk in the 12th

    http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=19825&cat=boxer
     
  8. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I guess he has improved slightly.

    And as long as he's improving, I don't see why there's such a rush to step him up in competition. They should still match him carefully where he's not in danger, but can gain some experience.


    A slow, feather-fisted, iron-chinned, crafty veteran would be my pick.
     
  9. 493dart

    493dart Member Full Member

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    He looked decent tonight---we all know damn well he will be back in training , improving his skills . No doubt he will improve. I do like the idea of putting him in against an iron chin like arreola , etc... Would be a great test and stepping stone. That needs to happen THIS year for sure
     
  10. BlackBrenny

    BlackBrenny Guest

    If people are still going to make excuses to hold him back, then they should stop saying he would kill the likes of Fury and Pulev and anybody not called Klitschko, when all of these contenders have much better records and formline than him
     
  11. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We're not talking about fan hype here. We're talking about a realistic assessment of his talents from what little we see in the ring. I don't care to get into a discussion about how much he's hyped.
     
  12. BlackBrenny

    BlackBrenny Guest

    You said "And as long as he's improving, I don't see why there's such a rush to step him up in competition"

    I see why, so we can actually see what he's made of, yeah he's big and strong and athletic and hits hard, as Barry Jones rightly said, we already knew all of that, we didn't learn a damn thing that we didn't already know, he's a 5 year pro ffs, Liakovich has had literally 6 fights in the entire 5 years Wilder has been a pro, and has lost 4 of them, 3 by KO, let's see Deontay in an actual ****ing fight for once
     
  13. damian38

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    what I noticed is that when he throws the jab, he is wide open to counters, because he doesn't snap it back, and leaves his hand coming back too slowly, also, his footwork, and as someone mentioned above, straight punches, because any decent HW will be able to avoid them, the power and speed is there, all that is left to do is just improve the rest
     
  14. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, I said that, but what does that have to do with fan hype? I think if he steps up a little and fights a better veteran with very little power and a good chin, we would be able to gauge him better, as that may challenge him with more rounds.


    We might not disagree that much, actually.
     
  15. BlackBrenny

    BlackBrenny Guest

    He's been pro for 5 years, had almost 30 fights won all by KO, and yet we still know nothing about him other than that he's big and hits hard, either he fights somebody GOOD or I don't wanna know, why this "baby steps" approach with him? Is his chin really as bad as the rumours say? It must be, no other reason for protecting him this much, jesus christ to think I gave Khan a hard time for being matched with feather fisted/ has-been opposition at the start of his career, his 30 fight resume makes Wilders look like a pile of goat shi.t