what potential greats have an Achilles Heel?

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  1. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  2. kmac

    kmac On permanent vacation Full Member

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    i love ggg but i think he'll be in trouble if he gets in there against a capable cutie.
     
  3. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So you think slick movement is 3GGGs Achilles? What fight did you spot it in?
     
  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Could you clarify a bit, jg?

    You mean currently active boxers with potential to go down as being all time greats? Ones who might have a bugaboo yet to be seen?

    Or do you mean prospects who could possibly become elite unless some flaw prevents them?

    If the former: Floyd Mayweather Jr. - there is a maneuver for which he is wide open almost every night he performs, a positional mistake he constantly makes, and I first spotted it back when he fought De La Hoya...as of yet nobody has exploited the vulnerability, and it may never happen... If the right person did, they could knock him out and I was half expecting Cotto to at least try it because it fits with his style...

    If the latter: Jose Benavidez Jr. - he is projected to go very far, but is a sucker for a left hook coming in and nearly got taken out by lowly regarded Pavel Miranda. He is young and has powerful backing and can therefore improve his savvy and ring awareness surrounding himself with a good knowledgeable team - but my gut tells me that left hook problem is going to rear its head again in his future.
     
  5. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Prospects who have every indication of being great, but you see something -- anything (like you've indicated with Benavidez, Jr.)-- that will be their undoing
     
  6. Collie

    Collie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What is this maneuver IB that you are referring to?


    Rigondeaux's Achilles heel is his promoter, Arum, who is doing a fantastic job 'promoting' him by saying how boring he is and messing him around, it's a bit baffling really.
     
  7. Barrera

    Barrera Defeated Boxing_master Full Member

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    finito lopez's achilles heel was being in a division that never gets in the spotlight
     
  8. Lartize

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    I took it as a Prospect yet to be exposed... even though mine are already kinda exposed.

    Canelo
    - His low gas tank / low activity. I personally think he doesn't have a huge gas tank, thus is planned low activity rate. This will mean he will one day be pushed, until he is far more exhausted then his opponent or he will be outworked by his opponent, because he won't be as active, due to his low gas tank.

    The only fight I have not seen him either A) be extremely conservative with his work rate or B) be all red in the faced after, was Matthew Hatton.. and that was a long time ago


    Broner - His low gas tank / low activity. I personally think he doesn't have a huge gas tank, thus is planned low activity rate. This will mean he will one day be pushed, until he is far more exhausted then his opponent or he will be outworked by his opponent, because he won't be as active, due to his low gas tank.

    He was much more exhausted then Paulie.. and was the considerably less active of the two.
     
  9. kmac

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    not so much a certain fight but just his overall style. i think martinez has the style to frustrate ggg but he might be too old to beat him now. with this said, ggg is getting better and better every fight. too bad he's already 31. i hope he can get some big fights over the next 3 to 4 years.
     
  10. northpaw

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    Roy:

    issues with defensive quick counter-punchers, in his prime
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I've referred to it on here occasionally and dropped hints over the years what it entails, but have been holding it close to my chest and never coming out with the full reveal...

    My reasons for not publicly laying it out might seem a bit silly, but I'd still rather not. (originally - back in 2007, when I'd only recently quit smoking and was still down near my 'prime' early 20's weight of 145ish, I still harbored quixotic daydream illusions of going pro and maybe being the guy to stop PBF using this flaw exploitation...now, of course, that possibility, wildly unrealistic in the first place, is long behind me as it would take years to build up a name to get in the ring with him, by which time he will have retired, and to boot I'm on the wrong side of thirty and will have to boil myself to make super middle once I start finally competing within the next year or so...)

    My paranoid fear is that I'll spell it all out, and someone will then use the strategy, executed to a T, and pull it off - with me as 'random internet guy' receiving no credit and spending the rest of my days pulling my hair out saying "That was MY idea! They must have read my post! They never would've knocked him out if not for me!" and have everyone humor me with sympathetic nods while secretly thinking ":nut". That is my worst case scenario. :lol:


    If you desperately want to know and can swear to keep it to yourself I can send you a PM.

    :yep

    In all seriousness, that really could hold Rigondeaux back, and he isn't young enough that it's OK to sit on the shelf like Don King used to waste his best talents.
     
  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Offensively, less active.

    People often underestimate the amount of energy defense takes in boxing.

    I'd venture that in many cases, maintaining one's defense consistently for a full three minutes is more physically taxing and demanding than wielding a high-volume offense.

    Case in point, near any moderately trained and reasonably conditioned initiate can move forward in sparring or hitting a bag throwing almost nonstop combos without being totally spent at the end. That is the easy half of the sport, relatively speaking.

    Doing back-foot drills, keeping your guard up and dropping your weight sliding away, performing corner flips always facing the direction you're running from, tossing out cover-fire jabs - that **** wears you out 10x faster. A couple of rounds of that is as fatiguing as 12 simply drilling combinations from bell to bell.

    Now take someone like Broner, who also mixes in upper body movement, in with a fast-handed burst thrower like Malignaggi, and the amount of effort needed to make him miss a majority of his light shots (even with a good many landing, especially to the body - which doesn't help matters as far as energy conservation!) is enormous.

    Using your core & lower extremities is heavier duty than flashing your hands.
     
  13. nicamarvin

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    you piece of ****. you believe you have Floyd´s Kryptonite and wont spell the beans? GTFO
     
  14. tennis

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    Floyds kryptonite> pacman
     
  15. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why, t? What's Pac do better?