Just watched Canelo v Trout - Thoughts for Mayweather bout

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  1. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Close fight, scored it 115-113 for Canelo but I'd have accepted a close decision win for Trout because the rounds were very close.

    Looking at the Mayweather fight for Canelo I favour Floyd big time but it's still an interesting fight.

    What caused Canelo difficulties in the Trout fight was Trouts workrate and punch output. Luckily for him Floyd doesn't have a huge punch output and this is what makes the fight if not close, a little interesting. It's going to be a chess match with both men fighting at a pace they're comfortable at. Floyd has the advantage here with better defence and speed but if Canelo can land a big right hand who knows what could happen?

    The catchweight may be the killer though because Canelo clearly isn't the most energetic of fighters. If Canelo is to make this fight competetive he has to do the following:

    1. Weigh in at 154. Just take the financial hit, he's 23 years old and has his whole career to make millions, this is the only chance he'll get to beat a great like Mayweather so he'll need to take every advantage. It's not the 'sporting' thing to do but it's not exactly cheating seeing as how it's for the jr. welter straps and Mayweather thought it okay for him to do it v Marquez. If he's poor stamina at 154 he's going to look bad at 152.

    2. Drop the reflex defence. It worked okay v Trout and would work okay against most fighters but against Mayweather this is suicide. Mayweathers precision would catch him all night so if Canelo doesn't want to get tagged all night he's going to have to keep a tight guard.

    3. Up the workrate. I said above both guys will fight at a pace they're comfortable at but if Floyd is comfortable he's going to beat any fighter in history. You must swarm Floyd and take him out of that comfort zone, Canelos punch output in the Trout fight v Floyd would see him lose every round.

    4. Don't go for the KO early. Even if Canelo does what I've said above he's probably still going to be down on the scorecards. What I've said above gives him a chance but his best chance really of beating Floyd is by KO. He has the power IMO but if he does what SSM did and goes for the KO early Floyd will survive. He must work very hard to try tire Floyd out which isn't an easy thing to do but if he works the body and stays on Floyd all night he could make things very interesting if he lands a big right hand late in the fight.

    I have this fight 65-35 in Floyds favour but that's more competetive that anyone else I've seen Floyd fight. Canelo has a lot of ad******g to do but at his age that can be done. It's a decent fight though and one I look forward to.
     
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  2. nes01

    nes01 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Agree with points 3 and 4. Point 4, Canelo will absolutely follow cause he's a smart guy and everything he has said so far points to him NOT going for an early KO. Point 3 is where his biggest chance is. I think if he has the stamina, then he can be very, very competitive with Floyd.

    Floyd will be conservative with punch output, because of Canelo's power, and that's a huge bonus to him, because his downfall will be busy fighters. I agree that the Trout fight could have gone either way, and a lot of that is due to Trout staying busy in rounds.
     
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  3. billvp

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    if you thought Trout could have deserved a decision victory you either:

    • are racist against Whites
    • are blind and/or drunk
    • were watching the fight on your phone and couldn't see ****
     
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  4. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    :patsch there are quite a few who think that Trout could have gotten the W. Those cards were ****. 118-109 ? :-(
     
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  5. nes01

    nes01 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Nahhh none of that. I'm white (But Canelo isn't, so I dont know how that'd help my neutrality?). It was a close fight; I'd maybe edge it for Canelo. The judges were clearly and majorly biased.
     
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  6. witschnerd1

    witschnerd1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It was a close fight that could have been better without the open scores. Alvarez took his foot off the gas when he knew he had won the fight by the 8th round. Trout probably gave up when he knew he could not win without a KO. Open scoring ruins fights.
     
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  7. Kush

    Kush Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :rofl :deal
     
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  8. sharpshooter

    sharpshooter Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Did the open scoring help/hinder the pattern of the fight?

    From what I saw it was about even after 4, but when the judges announced Canelo a good few rounds up it forced Trout on to the offensive & Canelo could retreat/take his foot off the gas.

    Just wonder how that fight wouuld have played out without either of them knowing the scores.
     
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  9. twenty1

    twenty1 Final Destruction Full Member

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    :patsch

    Point 1, "not the sporty" thing to do of course, so Canelo will keep this professional, he WILL come in at weight.


    Point 2, Cotto used "reflex defence" against Mayweather and it worked, there are GIFS to back up this claim.


    Point 3, nope, Canelo is not a pressure fighter, more than likely he will box with Mayweather.



    Canelo just needs to do him, I think Canelo will be a combination of Ortiz (without the foul) and Cotto in this fight.
     
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  10. twenty1

    twenty1 Final Destruction Full Member

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    :good

    Which has everyone thinking its Canelo "gassed"

    The fight probably would have ended in a KO (Trout) had not been for open scoring.
     
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  11. Mr Pibb

    Mr Pibb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :rofl

    He was gassed lil DL dude...Trout's body attack took it all out of him.

    WHAT HAPPENED TO CANELITO'S SO-CALLED BODY ATTACK??
     
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  12. twenty1

    twenty1 Final Destruction Full Member

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    He fought different than what team Trout thought he would come in the ring and do. Body attacks were used, he aimed for Trout's chest when Trout tried to bounce back out of range. The kid is crafty, we'll see more on Sept 14th.
     
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  13. sharpshooter

    sharpshooter Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The thing is did he have to come with the body attack, when he was already up after 4, scored the knockdown & was way ahead after 8?

    Was Trout forced to come forward and let his hands go/trade and get knocked down?

    Did Canelo coast because he was up by so much?
     
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  14. witschnerd1

    witschnerd1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    just a few weeks to go, then we will see. The Trout fight won't mean much when Alvarez gets outclassed, he won't have the judges on his side sept14th.
     
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  15. aramini

    aramini Boxing Addict Full Member

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    open scoring sucks. I've never seen a great fight with open scoring - some okay ones where the drama was just sucked out of them.
     
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