Canelo Backers what exactly are the experts missing?

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  1. TiltyNose

    TiltyNose Member Full Member

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    Canelo would be the favorite against (versions of) fighters Floyd faced since Oscar- some believe.

    As would Trout, I guess..

    ..this doesn't seem like a cherry pick and why self humiliating 152 demand..?
     
  2. Mr Pibb

    Mr Pibb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Canelo's team offered 152..so you can .stop crying about it...
     
  3. TiltyNose

    TiltyNose Member Full Member

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    //Reynoso claims Mayweather*was the one who*demanded*a*catch-weight*in order to*...//

    Link me, please.

    ..and why would proud 154 champ, meaning Floyd, accept such nonsense for unification fight?
     
  4. Mr Pibb

    Mr Pibb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :patsch:lol:
     
  5. twenty1

    twenty1 Final Destruction Full Member

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    :deal

    They overlook this kids ability to adapt in the ring. Even the "experts" don't know too much about him.

    Plus he is not their fighter so don't won't claim him success over Mayweather, guaranteed if Canelo was Roach's fighter or Nacho's fighter they would say otherwise.


    #teamCanelo
     
  6. janeschicken

    janeschicken hard work! deadicayshin! Full Member

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    what are the odds on this fight currently? Might put a decent bet on Floyd.
     
  7. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    I might disagree here n there but good post divac. I never really sat down and thought about it that way.... I always like posts that make me think a little or make me see something in a way that I wasn't looking at it.

    No matter how you slice it, Canelo is the biggest, strongest, 'most prime' fighter, to go along with his hunger, that Mayweather has ever faced, at a time where Mayweather is probably (imo) on the slide.

    Def adds a perspective to it.


    What is your official prediction for this fight if I may ask?


    Personally, it wouldn't surprise me to see Canelo getting a draw from the judges, and setting up another big money showdown with a rematch. A win wouldn't shock me either, in all honesty.

    But truthfully, he is just not 'that good' (I use that term relatively, obviously hes good) not enough to beat Mayweather, imo, and Ill be picking May to win clearly.
     
  8. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    If Canelo does'nt look daunt at the official weighin, I give him a legitimate chance to pull off the upset.
    I'm still up in the air as who I think will win on my card, (the hell with the judges cards) its who wins legitimately and not given a gift.

    I'm still leaning toward Mayweather for the simple reason that I'm not confident in Canelo's stamina.
    He needs to be in condition to fight 3 minutes of every round to beat Mayweather and thats what worries me or I'd pick Canelo outright to win.

    I think Canelo will hold his own early and do well midrounds, its the championship rounds that I question whether Canelo has the stamina to dig really deep. You know, like Chavez did vs Taylor. Go into another gear, another zone of reserve you yourself dont know you have ti'll you're there and you feel the fatigue but yet you fight through it and get a final wind to push you through.

    I hate the fact that Canelo vs Trout was open scoring. Canelo allready knew he had it in the bag the last couple of rounds and coasted.
    He did'nt fight the last couple of rounds because he did'nt ****ing have to.
    :mad:
    Had it not been open scoring, we'd have gotten to see what Canelo has as far as digging deep in the championship rounds because he sure as hell would'nt have known as close as alot of those rounds were if he was ahead or behind in the scorecards.

    Canelo would have had to have dug deep the last few rounds against Trout.
    Would he have gotten over the hump and found that special wind that those special few fighters can find?

    Or would he have been so fatigue that exherting himself would have left him vulnerable against a good fighter like Trout?

    Open scoring damn ruined everything for me! :mad:
     
  9. witschnerd1

    witschnerd1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The experts are basing their prediction on the FACT that Floyd is a better fighter. The people here are just Hoping that Floyd gets beat, that is the difference.
     
  10. ross

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    I think his hand speed is very underrated . His sharp & explosive combos coupled with speed may present a problem for FMJ early on. FMJ will no doubt make adjustments but the big question really is how well Canelo adjusts to that . If he can gauge the distance on his punches and fire off hard and fast throughout, I give him a good chance for the upset.
     
  11. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    No, that clearly isn't all... although I really wanna see Floyd get a proper spanking.

    I actually think (I'm 80% sure) Floyd beats Alvarez by UD, but the reason why some think Canelo will win is the size and weight disparity.
    There's a point where the surplus on technical ability just won't cut it against the difference in size and strength. That's the reason why there are weightclasses in the 1st place.

    Floyd had all sorts of troubles against an over the hill, sort of LMW in Cotto. And now he has to fight a full blown one who happens to have some problems even making the weight and probably comes in as a LHW.
     
  12. witschnerd1

    witschnerd1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ok 2 heavyweights Fury vs Haye. One is clearly better with more experience, the other clearly bigger. Who should win. Why is it that people think weight means so much, unless it is a HW fight? Floyd is used to being the smaller man. If size and youth are the reasons for Alvarez to win, I will agree that he has those advantages, but past that he is the underdog in all other aspects. Speed, footwork,skill,defense,ring IQ,experience,adaptability, and versatility.
     
  13. icebergisonfire

    icebergisonfire Floyd F*ckin Mayweather! Full Member

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    The first four rounds, Floyd was dancing around the ring with ease on Cotto, round 5 on, he decided to fight toe to toe with Cotto. He wasn't having any trouble with Cotto.
     
  14. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    the open scoring did rob him of a career maturing moment, he won the fight but not in the manner he should have

    as fans and predictors it makes it tough for us to make a better judgement

    I cant pick him to win this fight plain and simple but I can pick him to be the most difficult since De La Hoya who was competitive through out the entire fight with his jab his body punching and his ability to pick off punches in his gloves something that Bob Sheridan pointed out a lot during his telecast with Dave Bontempo that SHO showed on demand when previewing Floyd vs Guerrero

    Sheridan actually had it 115-113 Floyd or a draw I cant exactly remember and yes he was very pro Oscar but he pointed out lots of things that Oscar did well and things Floyd didnt do well in his assessment

    I think Canelo is capable of fighting a similar type of fight because he is a smart fighter

    Floyd is skilled and he is gifted with speed and other traits but he wins like Hopkins because of his mind and ability to adjust and adapt and make the fight play in his favor

    Guerrero kept going straight in and getting pounded and his corner had no solution to redirect the ship. It was sad watching how pathetic Guerrero was and you knew all along he had no chance

    Canelo can think in there can be smart and adjust and has several depths to his game

    he can be tough for Floyd in the ways Oscar and Cotto were but much like the black and white era fights where the 30-0 hot shot comes in vs the 75-10 hall of famer and for 15 rounds for the first time just loses to the champ where he is at his advantage and able to use his experience

    i bet guys like Ortiz and Guerrero who never had the PPV experience also were caught in the moment a little. Think about it Floyds what 20-0 in major Vegas fights. Canelo is what 1-0 in big fights. These guys get wowed by the event the crowd the hotel the limos the jets the interviews. Floyd is so used to this and i think it is his early advantage