This generation is turning out to be kinda wack...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Just Rik, Aug 31, 2013.


  1. Just Rik

    Just Rik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I feel it starts with a supremely talented boxer who did not take the best available challenges at given points in time, in Floyd. Then he goes on to retire when his division is getting hottest with far more legitimate challenges for him. Then we get a cheating fraud named Margarito to come along and take out what was seen as the best challenge for Floyd, in Cotto. He would've have had a style to trouble Floyd, and an 0 to ensure minimal Floyd favoritism.

    Next we get what appears to be virtuoso brawler (I know, virtuoso and brawler sound funny together) who takes advantage of a severely derailed Cotto, worst of which, in my opinion, is the rookie trainer Cotto has...and all but finishes what Margarito started. Naturally, Pac is now seen as Floyd's biggest challenge, good, great, we can now finally see that career defining fight for Floyd, right?? Wrong, Floyd makes a request I personally have no problem with but Pac, and his fans, do.

    This request/refusal ensures the superfight is never to be...After Cotto refuses another catchweight we settle on Pac facing his archrival who has now followed him up to 147 for the second time. This time Juan literally appears different and gets completely different Pac, and fan, earth shattering results. Woo hoo, we finally get definitive and deserving results for a man who did nothing more than believe in himself right?? Possibly wrong, as he hypocritically refuses the very same stringent testing he ridiculed his archrival for not taking in his very next fight.

    I don't know, hate to be a negative nancy but, doesn't it seem like this gen has turned out to be thud in comparison to what it could've been?? There has either been so much ducking, suspicion, cheating, possible cheating etc. amongst the most popular fighters that how can we call this generation a great one?? Remove what could've been and accept various excuses to accept the generation for what it is, and it is very solid but, that is not the human thing to do. We go off expectation, and I don't know about yours but, mine were definitely not met. Hopefully, Sept. 14th gives us some very compelling fights with no controversy, we need it.
     
  2. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    agreed
    thats where the business of boxing ruins its own sport
    having 6 to 8 champs per weight class doesnt help either because the best rarely fight the best...guys with titles very seldom man up and put it on the line vs another guy with a title.
     
  3. Just Rik

    Just Rik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I reason the multiple belt situation sorta like this...The question is whether it hurts or helps the sport. We hear the "hurt" argument such as yours often so no need. As you said, boxing is a business, and the number one most beneficial thing to a product (boxer) in business is exposure. When society wants to honor, advertise, acknowledge people they go with pins, lapels, jewelry etc. and in boxing it's belts.

    Unfortunately, it's hard to get casual fans to pay attention to a fighter (expose) until you stick a shiny belt around his waist. In the end, does it hurt or help more? There was a time I would've said I have no idea but, now we have UFC. The fighters cannot duck each other there without help from their check writers.

    As a result, it is very hard for the fighter's to go undefeated for prolonged periods and generate massive hype for them. This is an area where we will always have UFC trumped, advertising fighters, yes it comes at a cost to the hardcore fan. And I'm not making an argument for multiple belts or against, just saying I accept it because I understand the business side of it.

    Hardcore fans would know and watch regardless so they argue one belt to prevent ducking, makes perfect sense most would want that. I think multiple belts help in marketing many more boxers but, also creates a venue for fighters to work their way around their would be biggest challenges. It's a give and take, a larger audience, though, a more disappointed one.
     
  4. Mr Pibb

    Mr Pibb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who are those "challenges" that forced Floyd to retire???

    I bet they're all with Top Rank:lol:

    You have grown as.s fighters that let Promoters treat them like children...THAT is the biggest problem.
     
  5. Just Rik

    Just Rik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I see you spelled "Dogg" correctly...it's all good, I'm part of that generation too..
     
  6. Jim Bowen

    Jim Bowen MARVELOUS Full Member

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    Whether you duck challenges through fear or stubbornness you still duck the fight.
     
  7. Mr Pibb

    Mr Pibb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    LOTS of white youth are part of that generation.

    Look at lil Miley cyrus....she dumped that hillbilly culture pretty quick.
     
  8. Mr Pibb

    Mr Pibb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fear of leaving top rank seems to be the issue.:lol:

    Cotto recently admitted he NEVER asked Arum about fighting Mayweather.:dealAnd bob never mentioned a Floyd fight to him.

    Bob didn't want to make Floyd vs Manny just like he didn't want to make Floyd vs Oscar.

    Mayweather had to leave in order to make the fight.
    Too bad Manny doesn't have balls like that.

    As for Tony..
    Arum wanted to pay Floyd LESS to fight Hatton than Margarito

    Would YOU fight Hatton for less than Tony?????:think

    Be honest.

    If you say yes you are the type of fool Arum loves.:lol:
     
  9. Just Rik

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    I'm guessing you're the guy to come to when I wanna hear how Floyd hypothetically beats everybody he's never fought...Just to answer though, most say Margarito, and many say Cotto. I think undefeated Cotto Floyd figured to be a nightmare scenario, his popularity was skyrocketing with every fight. I believe Floyd retired before the drums were beat too loudly for that fight, one that would've been an inexcusable blatant duck if Cotto were undefeated. Floyd would've dealt with a fighter possibly more popular than he, and a boxing ability that understood how to get rounds as he, with almost no favoritism in scoring and actually a solid possibility of anit favoritism for Floyd.
     
  10. Mr Pibb

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    I guess you're the guy that thinks those Top Rank pinatas hypothetically beat Mayweahter.

    Cotto never wanted to fight Mayweather back then.

    Don't take my word for it...COTTO said it himself:deal

    Why not Blame him??

    Arum wanted to pay Floyd LESS to fight Hatton than Margarito.:nut

    WOULD YOU FIGHT HATTON FOR LESS THAN TONY???

    Bob made Floyd an offer he knew would be refused...so he can run and say "look everybody....he's ducking my fighter"

    All tony had to do was dump his WBO crap strap that would have made him Floyd's WBC Manditory.:hi:

    While Baldomir was fighting real fighters and winning real Championships...tony was hiding in WBO land fighting the likes of Sebastian Lujan..:lol:
     
  11. Just Rik

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    I actually agreed with Floyd when he said Cotto was too ripe. Problem is Floyd made sure Cotto was not only seasoned, but also done. And I just realized you said fighters don't mind being looked at as children. Well, isn't Floyd acting like a child if he were to say "I'm not fighting you because I don't like your promoter" Also, Floyd said he's all about the money, you don't make much retired, so what is the real reason for retirement? I don't get it, the guy actually puts out an "it's all about the money persona" and when he returns from retirement tells Brian Kenney,"I came back to steal more money" He sticks vastly to tailor brawlers, and has never fought an undefeated fighter with competent boxing capability..what other dots need to be connected to say he is taking the path of least resistance.
     
  12. Mr Pibb

    Mr Pibb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Brian Kenney:

    "Mayweather will surely duck Carlos Baldomir....":rofl:rofl:rofl


    Regardless of what Floyd said...what Cotto said is what matters.

    He wasn't interested in fighting Mayweather until recently.

    Floyd was advised by his physician to either retire or take a long time off.

    If you think Floyd retired because of Cotto and Margarito then you really are in Arum's TRICK BAG.
     
  13. Just Rik

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    OK, so are we to believe that Floyd felt he accomplished everything he wanted, and that's why he retired? That turned out to be a lie, I'm sure you got nothing when it comes to the reason, and I offer a up a sensible reason evidenced by his career picks and no picks but I'm the fool??
     
  14. Mr Pibb

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    He retired because he was advised by his physician to do so.

    Funny how you can spot lies from everybody but Bob Arum...:lol:

    Go on and believe Floyd retired because he was scared of Margarito and Cotto...Only a certain kind of fool would buy something that stupid.
     
  15. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    NO boxer fears any other boxer. That's fanboism talking.

    Pac originally ducked Floyd and that is well known. After that I agree with you, Floyd's stubbornness and ego came into play. He seems himself as a bigger star than Pac and refuses to share the spotlight. I doubt Floyd ever fights Pac. Floyd doesn't need Pac anymore for a big fight with Floyd's SHO contract. Floyd can fight the likes of Rios and make 30+ mil.