ST Gordon

Barney Ross has no place among greatest 35? Ok.

 

No he does not, I have him in the 40s

 

Interesting list.
I'm surprised you have De La Hoya higher than Whitaker and Jones Jnr who I think were both much better fighters.Also Burley's very high for a guy who never won a title,and if you have him so high you could make a case for Holman Williams,Lloyd Marshall or Jimmy Bivins who have wins over him and comparable records.
No place for Jose Napoles,Wilfredo Gomez,Lennox Lewis,Michael Spinks,Floyd Mayweather,Bernard Hopkins etc,etc...sorry I don't mean to nitpick but I do think there has been a lot of great fighters and splitting them is very hard to do.

 

Great is something special, you cannot IMO have too many great fighters, or it dilutes the qualification. So although you may not agree with my 35 (fair enough) I still think you should only have between 30 or 40 fighters yourself that IYO qualify as great, by setting yourself such a task, it makes you think and think hard, who does and does not deserve the honour.

 

very true and Oscar De La Hoya should be removed from any top 50 immediately.

No man that was never really the best in his division for any length of time and more importantly failed to produce a single definitive performance against a top-flight opponent should ever be considered a true great.

Oscar was a near\borderline great and one of the better fighters of his era.Definitely NOT an all-timer.

 

Well each to their own (I have de la Hoya as the finest fighter of the 90s), just limit your greats, whoever they are to managable amounts, that way you do not taint the meaning of the word.

 

Probably outside of the top 100 of all-time.He beat a lethargic Berbick, kayoed DeLeon, and defended the cruiser belt.But he also lost to Cooney, so not that high.

 

u have Carp and Mickey Walker over Greb
So much for you knowledge of the game!
If you gave one eyed Harry Greb the Archie Moore that ate lots o leather from Teddy Yarosz, Archie woudda been very cooked.

 

The beating he gave Carlos DeLeon was quite brutal. Also one of the few not to rob Jesse Burnett blind. Had a solid career for a boxer who claimed no amateur career.

 

I heard his fight with Berbick stunk like a mother****er

 

Booze you have Carpentier in your top five?! WTF?!?!

 

It sure did. The thing withr boxing and promoters/managers is they seek out these guys who win dreary bouts as a safe opponent for their guy. So instead of blackballing or destryoing a career, it actually provides an opportunity.

I have zero doubts Pinklon Thomas watched this and made the match based on how horrible Berbick looked. He'd fired Dundee and was managing himself and everyone liked Pinklon at the time. Then, Trevor signs for the fight and goes out and signs Futch to train him and get him ready for the Thomas bout. And as often happens with heavies, showing up with their B game looking for an easy night's work tends to make for lots of upsets.

Then again, why would anyone be apprehensive about putting their guy in with Trevor after watching that Gordon fight? The B game should be enough to get the win.

 

Interesting list.

 

Wow, that is going back a bit!

 

Yeah, it's one of ThinBlack's mega bumps.