The Transnational Boxing Rankings

He sure did.

 

It's a point of view, but I don't understand it, personally.

What is the thinking?

 

Right on!

Not how linear works. But you could make an argument for establishing linear over almost anything, I think that is true. However, nobody has tried to establish linear in the fashion you describe (with good reason IMO).

 

Possibly, but being ranked #2 at HW on this list is pretty much the opposite of below the radar...additionally, although Meehan was Rahman's best win of that time, fighters aren't ranked according to local form in any ranking i'm aware of (Certainly not tbr). If Rahman was ranked above Wlad at the time of his most recent loss, he would certainly be ranked above him after that. And if he was ranked below him at the time of Wlad's most recent loss? Guess what, he'd probably be above him at that point anyway, Peter win or no.

Rahman is coming from a place where he was the undipsuted heavyweight champion of the world, one of only two in the last 15 years. Wlad was coming from a place where he was twice stopped by fighters ranked below him. That's really straight forwards maths IMO.

Probably, but Wlad also had two losses. Basically, against live bodies he was 1-2 or 2-2. It's not very good really, it's certainly not top 2 type form.

Really though, that's neither here nor there. Losses propel fighters down the rankings, very reasonably. As i'v already said, Wlad may have been the literal #1 or #2 HW in the world, but nobody was ranking him there during this period, and I think that's quite right.

Aside from forum posters, anything concrete? Like Fightnews, KO Magazine, Boxing Monthly, Boxing News, anyone at all that takes an interest in that sort of stuff? That is, is there anything linkable that discusses a new lineage based off this fight?

 

Nah, but so what? I can't remember the last time I got excited for a Chris John fight, either, but he's clearly ranked #2.

One thing has nothing do do with the other.

I don't know if that's true or not. But if it is it's of no consequence at all - rankings aren't constructed on who is famous, visible or liked. If the argument is that Wlad was more famous...

But presumably you see it damaging his standing and hurting his rankign? You certainly can't think it enhanced either? Surely Brewster was to be ranked clearly above him in its wake?

But a figher "being top 2 material" isn't a bar to his being ranked in the top 2 in a literal sense. Brian Viloria doesn't appear to be "top 2 material" after his loss to Estrada, but he was unquestionably and inarguably exactly that for a spell. Rahman's ranking is reasonable. It isn't created retrospectively. It is a reaction to what happened on the ground after his losing the world title, and I think arguing that a fighter who was twice knocked out in very recent history should clearly be ranked above him is a total non-starter.

I consider that his 6-0-1 between 2004 and his elimination by Maskaev in 2006 is better than than Wladimir's corresponding run. I think that this, in conjunction with his fall from the absolute pinnacle should make him a higher rank than Wlad at this time. I believe this to be reflected by the rankings of the time, and I don't consider that Wlad was treated unfairly in this. It seems at the very least reasonable to me, and probably quite correct.

The reverse argument - that Wlad should clearly be ranked higher - does not exist, IMO.

The first 4 guys Rahman fought after the ugly loss to Ruiz had a combined 42 losses and 5 draws. This was following an 0-3-1 stretch. And then even guys like Kali Meehan and Monte Barrett? I don't recall anyone pegging these as significant victories, and no one believed Meehan or Barrett were about to make any type of big splash before Rahman beat them.

Wlad was eliminated entirely from the rankings; he then beat two completely unranked men and was knocked out again. He then stepped out of the ring for six months. It was more than a year before he fought another ranked opponent. He would have been somewhere near the bottom of the top twenty.

Wlad was moving UP the rankings, but never made it higher than #8 at the time of his elimination. Rahman was moving DOWN the rankings from undisputed HW champ. It's seems obvious how he came to be ranked above Wlad.

Currently the IBF ranks Murat at #2 in a stuffed LHW division, and ****ing Sam Soliman at #2 @ middleweight.

The WBO currently rank Denis Boytsov lol as their #2 heavy, and Juergen Braehmer at #2 at LHW. They are joke rankings.

Wlad was the #2 for the WBO at the time you mention. The reason was that Brewster was their champion, and Brewster-Wlad was the easiest way to make any money in the short term for the ****ing idiots that run that organisation. Their rankings are a disgrace, and should never be referenced to enhance understanding. All they reflect is the following - which fights they most wanted to make to get money for themselves at that particular time/who had paid them for that ranking/who they were doing favours for. That is all it is a record of, and it should never be seen as a record of anything else by anyone who expects to understand the reality.

 

Heavyweight
Champion: Vacant
1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. David Haye
3. Alexander Povetkin
4. Kubrat Pulev
5. Tomasz Adamek
6. Tyson Fury
7. Tony Thompson
8. Bermane Stiverne
9. Robert Helenius
10. Cristobal Arreola *


Vitali Klitschko moves out of the heavyweight rankings based upon the following:

In those instances where a contender is inactive for one year or more, he will be removed from the rankings until such time as he fights and earns back a place in the top ten. Exceptions for medical issues will be considered. - See more at: http://www.tbrb.org/charter/#sthash.3G4gvlHA.dpuf

This makes way for Cristobal Arreola at #10 at heavyweight.

More intriguingly it opens up the #2 spot on the heavyweight rankings list, allowing Wladimir to fight for the legitimate title against his #2 contender. That contender is currently David Haye, but because Haye is in action against Tyson Fury before Wladimir takes on his #3 contender Alex Povetkin, that fight could yet be made for the title. A stumble from Haye is required, but things are far brighter than they have looked with the two brothers in the box seats.

 

In other news, Ricky Burns has dropped to #5 behind the heinous "draw" he fought with Ray Beltran last Saturday. Beltran is moved to #4, his exceptional effort recognised by us even if everyone else involved did their best to deny him. The Board and the fans are pretty much in lockstep on this issue.

 

Nothing that happened today is accounted for.