Who's The Greater Fighter Joe Louis or Floyd Mayweather?

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  1. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Canelo is a big star in Mexico, more famous than JMM for instance, currently one of the most famous persons in Mexico. So it´s a big fight because of the money, basically.
    I agree that Floyd is going to win, but I don´t blame him this time, because the fight is going to make him earn a lot of money and who else is there that is really a treat for him ?
     
  2. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There are dozens of books written about Louis. There will never be one written about Matweather.
     
  3. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not even competitive. Louis was a heavyweight, that says everything. Mayweather by a mile.
     
  4. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Floyd has blatantly Cherry picked, particularly post 135. Canelo couldn't finish Mosely and had trouble with Trout. He just doesn't have the stamina or power to make this an interesting fight.

    The fact that someone is comparing Louis and Mayweather worries me. Pbf deserves no accolades for his career yet history may be kind on him because of the inevitable zero he will garner through a careful selection of opponents. The Brown Bomber did no such thing. No comparison imo.
     
  5. apollack

    apollack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maybe I'm nuts but I am amongst those who think Canelo is going to make this a very close and competitive fight. Expect a very tactical battle pitting Floyd's speedy touches and superior defense against Canelo's speedy bombs and solid defense, with a lot of cautious sparring, footwork, and defense interspersed with brief moments of intensity. I honestly think this one could be razor close on the scorecards with a touch of controversy thrown in for good measure.
     
  6. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Louis was far better than the journeyman Mayweather, and a level above his son too boot.
     
  7. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    I don't even know what title Mayweather holds, or what titles he's held.
    Boxing has become a joke in that regard. These star fighters just jump around the excess of weight divisions, picking and choosing alphabet titles, there's no rational structure to it, and people talk about "six times world champion" etc ... and now in recent years they've started to fights for these baubles at odd weights that don't even correspond to the weight division that the belt is allegedly for !
     
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    You probably under-rate Joe Louis.
     
  9. jaymon112

    jaymon112 MARVELOUS Full Member

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    Ricky Hatton on Mayweather:


    SKILLS/RING IQ
    "Floyd is up there with the very best of all time - the greatest of all champions.
    "People say boxing is to hit and not get hit, and he has got it off to a tee.
    "Boxers try to imitate the style and get his skills. Adrien Broner immediately springs to mind, but they cannot do it like Floyd.
    "What I remember wasn't just how good he was at defence and that he rolled so many punches, it was about his timing.
    "He knew how to let the storm blow and choose the right moment to put his foot on the gas. That is a boxing brain.
    "That is greatness nobody can teach."

    DEFENSE
    "His defense really frustrated me because I only need to get one shot up the belly and it would often have an effect on opponents, but Floyd was something else.
    "Floyd would drop his left hand low and that is usually the signal to jump all over a rival, but with him he's setting a trap.
    "Whenever I would come in with a body shot he would counter and catch me with a right upper cut.
    "He knew how to pull out of range, he knew what distance the punch might come from and knew how low to duck.
    "At times I thought he ducked too low below the waist and that he used his forearm to keep you at arms distance.
    "I was frustrated at the time, but when I look at him now, I just think, 'what a clever smart arse in the way you do all that.'
    "He was so clever defensively and it would just be a little nudge or sway that made all the difference."

    POWER
    "I wouldn't say he was the most murderous puncher I have fought and I think I have been in a lot more gruelling fights like Kostya Tszyu and Luis Collazo.
    "They perhaps hit me harder, but Floyd knew when the right time was pick his punches and through his defence he'd sap the strength from me.
    "It is not about his power, but knowing the time to throw.
    "He isn't feather-fisted, but Floyd certainly isn't the most concussive puncher I have faced."

    SPEED
    "He is very, very quick. In our fight I was going to ease into the fight and stand off a little bit, and use a bit more feinting.
    "But in the first 10 seconds he hit me with that lead left hook he throws and I had to alter my game plan.
    "If that was the first sign of his speed there was no point in me standing off because he was just going to nail me.
    "I had to try and stay on him and out-hustle him then, and that was because his speed forced me to alter tactics."

    CHIN
    "I caught him with some good body shots, but I never really caught him flush on the chin.
    "I did land one punch that wobbled him and had an effect, but he was also half off balance.
    "I think he has got a decent chin though.
    "The only time I have seen him remotely in trouble was when Shane Mosley nailed him in the second round of their fight.
    "Floyd's legs were all over the show and I thought, 'Shane has done him here', but he couldn't finish him.
    "His chin is obviously pretty good because he recovered so well to survive the round and won the fight by a landslide.
    "Also because he is so elusive, dips and rolls, if you do catch him he is always taking the sting out of it.
     
  10. InTheRedCorner

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    I can't stand the guy, but there's no way denying that he is a great fighter. He shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Louis, though. He should've fought Pacman years ago.
     
  11. TBooze

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    Recent? Leonard was doing that in 1988...
     
  12. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Any fighter who uses a nick name/middle name of MONEY I completely ignore.
     
  13. Unforgiven

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    Yes, Leonard was trying to win the vacant 168-pound title and the 175-pound title at the same time. That was ridiculous too.
    But I can't remember anyone doing that again for years, probably within the last five or six years. And it's happened several times in that period. It's becoming almost the norm now.
     
  14. WhyYouLittle

    WhyYouLittle Stand Still Full Member

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    Why? They're PRIZEfighters. Jimmy Mclarnin said he was in it for the money. Dempsey mentioned how hunger would keep you on your feet during a fight. Remember Tunney and the million dollar check? How about Jack Johnson? Flyest SOB ever. Robbie? Always made sure he could squeeze every little cent out of a contract he signed. Hunger, man. Hunger always been the driving force. Kicking Mayweather for cherry picking is fine, but kicking him for not BSing about liking money, c'mon.
     
  15. Andrei00

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    I'm pretty sure neither one of them mentioned their money every 30 seconds in interviews though. And for a guy who's getting the biggest paychecks in sport right now it can't be about hunger anymore.