Who's The Greater Fighter Joe Louis or Floyd Mayweather?

Sure I get that. Despising the guy don't necessarily stops you from judging him as a fighter though. Also all those guys I mentioned kept boxing beyond hunger too. They liked money just as much. They just didn't talk about it as much. Besides the whole "money money money" thing is part of Mayweather's persona. A part of it is publicity stunt.

 

If we rated fighters based on what they talk, Ali would be somewhere near the end of all-time top 1000.

 

Mayweather is not really that much of a ******* tbh.....I mean, is he really a top 10 assshole in the history of this sport ? He really isn´t, some fighters were way worse than him in personality.

 

I think I'm being as fair as someone can possibly be to say he's nowhere near Joe Louis' level as a fighter.

 

And that's not BECAUSE Mayweather can't shut his yap about money. THAT I can go with. And agree in fact.

 

Yeah, but the sport has a lot of assholes.
Never mind all-time listings, even if he's rated #10 in the current boxing ******* rankings, that means he's probably a really obnoxious human being.

 

Yeah that should be a deep, deep pool of talent.

You know, I think every boxer has a bit of an ******* inside him isn't it? I mean when you see someone hurt in front of you the sensible thing to say is "Are you his alright?", "Do you need help?", that kinda thing. What a boxer says to himself when he sees someone hurt in front of him is "I got him!". I'm kidding, of course, but in part is true. A lot of writers felt that one of the reasons Charley White, for example, was never champion was because he softened up when he got the other guy hurt. Didn't have killer instincts. Can't say how much of it is true but I read that more than once.

 

That's reductive and the usual complaints about heavyweights save one don't apply to Louis.

 

PGF is a great fighter, no doubt about that. But boxing assholes are usually funny, crazy, frightening or all of them. PGF just seems like a laughable narcissist. He must have some mental qualities though, or he wouldn't be able to perform so consistenly.

 

That's a fact. Greatest heavyweights all are miles behind greatest fighters from lower weights, both skill and competition-wise. One can point out Ezzard Charles as an exception, but his stay at heavyweight can hardly be called great. He was a great light heavyweight, and only a good heavyweight.

 

And my point was that Louis was an exception.

 

If they were the same size Mayweather would win 12-0. Who's greater? Depends on criteria and Louis didn't have 2 world class trainers from the best era in boxing to help him from a young age.

 

True. Lower probably.

Mayweather isn't even the worst Mayweather. There are literally 100 guys who were more horrible.

 

Joe Louis is one of the greatest fighters to lace up the gloves....Floyd is a great fighter and one of the best defensive fighters and adaptable fighters I have seen but he would not beat Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran or Tommy Hearns and would be beaten pretty badly by SRR and some of his opponents but I have to say he has fought most of the best of his time and if he gets past his next opponent he will rate even higher. Its not Floyds fault there are not fighters in his weight class like there were years ago.

Answer = Joe Louis

 

A book by John D. McCallum was mentioned in another thread. Page 207, about Joe Louis:

"With one exception,

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," Joe said one time. "The exception was the return bout with Schmeling. The writers would come from his camp and tell me all the things he was saying about his Nazi super-race. He was still gloating over his first knockout of me. When I got in the ring with him that second time I was in there for a lot more than money. He came out fast and he tried me with that right hand that had beat me all over the ring in our first fight. But not this time. I had trained very hard. I slipped the right and then I cut loose. I brought his guard down with a good left and I let go with one of the hardest right hands I ever threw. I'd been carrying that punch for Mr. Super-race for two years. I tore into him on the ropes and put him down three times until finally he couldn't raise himself any more."