Lennox Lewis underrated or overrated?

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  1. Ipay4leavingNot

    Ipay4leavingNot Active Member Full Member

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    I am debating this in my mind

    Underrated
    -One of the few heavyweight boxers to never have been beat up. Yes he was knocked out twice, but these were flash knockouts but he was never beat up by anyone. Where most greats will eventually get knocked down or out or just be bested towards the end of their career, this never happened to him. He left on a winning note over who'd later become the best boxer of the 10sand late 00s (vitali klitschko)
    -Avenged both of his 2 losses in a clear and convincing way. No one will argue that Mccall or raham was better than lewis. Hence beat every opponent he faced by the time he retired, a very rare feat.
    -Has a fairly good resume, tyson, holyfield, briggs, klitschko, foreman claimed lewis was the greatest boxer ever on the vitali klitschko fight night on hbo.
    -olympic champ
    -Gets better as the fight goes on, great right hand that he doesn't over use
    -Never seemed to run out of gas, yes he got tired at times when he came in overweight but he never ran out completely of gas where he was just on the ropes getting beat up and couldn't fight back, not even near the end of his career.

    Overrated
    -Well the main argument is he met alot of these guys after their prime. We all knew Tyson was a good decade past prime by the time he fought lewis. Holyfield fought a ton of tough fights as well.
    -He let medicore boxers linger around instead of knocking them out early
    -He was good and maybe even very good at times, but he never had that burning urgency to destroy or obliterate his opponents like an 87 tyson. It raises the question if he was a very good boxer or a great boxer. Its called the hall of fame because its full of greats not the hall of very good.
    -Where the hell was he for all those years in england, what was he doing. He was fighting from the same time as tyson but how long did it take for him to fight top contenders?
     
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  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Underrated. Fought in the greatest era of power punchers and beat every man he ever face. Was bald assed ducked by the supposed best threat to his crown.

    All Time Great. Head to Head Top 3 at very least. All Time Top 4, though any number within would be justifiable.
     
  3. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    I have him in the top 10 heavyweights of all time. Lennox Lewis is also a head to head monster compared to many of the other notable Heavyweight Champions.

    He won the Olympic Gold Medal beating a pretty good heavyweight named Riddick Bowe by stoppage. Sometimes that gets forgotten.

    Lewis went on to beat many good and very good heavyweights. His destruction of Razor Ruddock when he burst onto the heavyweight scene serving notice to the other contenders. Ofcourse Bowe backing out of an agreement to fight Lennox`s wasn`t Lewis fault but more a testament to how dangerous he was.

    Can`t forget that Heavyweight Champions George Foreman and Micheal Moorer would never take on Lewis. Nobody with anything to lose really wanted to fight Lennox Lewis. It was a rough night. He did beat Tony Tucker, Ray Mercer, Tommy Morrsion, Shannon Briggs and then a slightly past it Evander Holyfield who Lewis schooled in their first fight and beat close the second time.

    He goes on to destroy Micheal Grant and dominate David Tua. The Tyson fight was mostly something Lewis had to do to shutup some people. Ofcourse Tyson was only there that night for the $ and gave a good effort for about a round and a half.

    Here is the key IMO. Lennox Lewis was knocked out twice and both times had the guts to climb back into the ring with the man who stopped him and reverse the result. I dont care that McCall cried or whatever none of that matters. He was there to fight and McCall had no answers and started to fall apart.

    He goes out beating a pretty formidable fighter in Vitali.

    I understanad Lennox Lewis wasn`t a popular figure but if he was from New York he may be regarded and rank right up with the very top heavyweights who ever lived. His biggest crime was that he wasn`t an American heavyweight.

    Bottom Line Lennox Lewis was a winner and one of the best heavyweights that ever lived.
     
  4. Terror

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    I've been rewatching a lot of Lennox lately and am impressed with how he sneaks his uppercut in and neutralizes people on the inside. It's cool to see (even when he holds Grant's head down and obliterates him with an uppercut) and I appreciate it.

    I think Seamus has him rated a pinch too high, but it's really hard to keep him out of the top 5 lists considering his skills and resume, impossible to weed him out of the top 10.

    Lennox fought tall and used his size as the massive advantage it was. He had a good jab, a good cross, and was hard/impossible to fight with at range. When a fighter had equal or close to equal size, they got destroyed on the inside. He's more versatile than he's given credit for.

    His knocks are his fighting style and how he got destroyed twice. He avenged those losses, but McCall and Rahman are two guys that a top 10 ATG shouldn't lose to in such dramatic fashion.

    I have him ranked around 8, higher H2H.

    I think he gets the credit he deserves. Sometimes too much, sometimes too little, but altogether I think he's rated appropriately.
     
  5. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    He used his height and range better than any fighter I saw. Definitely any heavyweight. His right hand was fast and explosive. One of the best in the division`s history.
     
  6. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    This.

    :deal

    Since he retired I have him tied for #3 alltime.




    BTW,

    There are some fair points that could be have been noted in the "over-rated" column, but the OP did not make any of them.

    How long he takes to KO or outpoint an opponent is an almost irrelevant consideration. Ditto for the point on obliteration.

    And a bit more knowledge of the mans history and amateur career would have answered the "where was he..." question.






    I liked the concept of the "flash KO" :D
     
  7. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    By my reckoning Lennox is rated pretty fairly. Definitely an all time top ten heavyweight.
     
  8. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Big, awkward, clumsy, bad ballance, two left feet and one dimensional.

    If he couldn't get a guy out early , he looked very limited over 12 rounds, and has never ko'd anyboy late in a fight.

    Watching his fight with Mercer , there should be no doubt he gets annihilated by a prime Tyson. Mercer would probably have won that fight if it had been a proper 12 rounder.

    Went life and death with Vitali who got outboxed by little pillow fisted Chris Byrd.

    Won both his WBC belts out of the trash can. Both times.

    Hadn't the valour or pride to fight Tyson in his prime and accepted step aside money to fight bums in Dublin.

    Played a major part with King to prevent a fight with Bowe.

    Overrated.
     
  9. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I rate him tops with ali
     
  10. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How many other guys were taking the risk of fighting the DKP fighters? How many were coming out with victories? Lennox took on the popular fighters and guys that big $$$ was behind and that's the toughest road to travel in the sport.

    He also took on the pedigreed up and comers when he was the old guy. Lots of times those are the changing of the guard fights for heavies.

    Hardly any heavyweight champion wlaked in those shoes. Lewis did. And me, I sure do appreciate that he did. Lots of other guys always take the path of least resistence fights. Lewis could have as well and instead of fighting the guys he did, we could have seen mismatches--but safe fights--against the easy to hit opponents like an Alex Stewart. Joe Hipp. Maskaev. Ocquendo. Seldon. Mathis. Herbie Hide would have sold well. Washed up and in the graveyard guys like Pinklon Thomas. Bonecrusher Smith. Dokes.

    Or done the other trick of 1 surprise win or decent showing by a guy gets him a Lewis bout. That'd be guys like Zolkin looking good for awhile against Morrison. Vaughn Bean doing well against Moorer. At least we didn't get that type of matchmaking.

    He could have fought those second tier type guys on the outskirts of top 10 and "names". He didn't. And anyone watching the sport long enough knows that's a haley's comet in that division and rarely seen in the sport.
     
  11. atr

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    the manner of his two defeats count against him. also, I think he should have beat Holyfield much more convincingly considering Holy was 37 at the time and had already fought three wars with Bowe several years earlier.

    Still Top 10 based on achievements alone.
     
  12. McGrain

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    Rate about right. Acknowledged by most to be a great heavyweight. Within that is a range of what is reasonable.
     
  13. mcvey

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    Outside of Ali , possibly the toughest head to head matchup for the other champs, he is ,imo,a top ten heavyweight.ATG
     
  14. FastHands(beeb)

    FastHands(beeb) Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Saved me a lot of time typing! Thread absolutely nailed in one post.

    Top 10 atg without any question, and a case can be made that he's very high in the top 10.

    H2H...as ETM says, Lewis was an absolute monster...H2H, when focussed, Lewis COULD beat any HW that ever lived.

    PS - ETM - I thoroughly enjoy reading your work - whether I agree with it or not...hat doffed.
     
  15. fatcity

    fatcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A big lug who is over rated and has a personality as exciting as drywall.