Boxing is DYING! (And has been for 100 years)

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by willcross, Sep 16, 2013.


  1. willcross

    willcross Well-Known Member Full Member

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    http://www.sbnation.com/2013/9/11/4718644/mayweather-vs-canelo-superfight-boxing-is-dying-meme


    Just thought this was a neat article. It summarizes the same old "boxing is dying" routines all the way back to 1915. Same things as today.

    All the good fighters have retired.

    New guys are nowhere near the old guys.

    Radio is killing boxing.

    free boxing on tv is killing boxing.

    commissons and managers are killing boxing.

    Cassius Clay is killing boxing.

    PPV is killing boxing.

    Tyson 1 round ko ppvs are killing boxing.

    Roy Jones Jr is killing boxing by fighting mandatories. (Remember the Roy-cott) :D

    Lennox Lewis is killing boxing. He's only good cause he's so big. Glass jaw, way too cautious. Holding the belt hostage, won't fight Byrd. He's the mandatory! Give him his shot! Byrd could make Lewis look foolish!

    Wlad is killing boxing. He's only good cause he's so big. Glass jaw, way too cautious. He's constantly fighting mandatory no hopers! His best win is Chris Byrd!! Byrd sucks!! Screw the belts! Fight someone who can win! God I miss Lennox Lewis! He fought everyone! Was exciting as hell!


    Boxing has been dying and the nation has been losing interest for 100 years. Who cares if the fights are selling better now than ever before. That doesn't mean anything, right?
     
  2. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Boxing is not the sport it used to be in terms of level of popularity in my lifetime. Lots of this has to do with the boxing commissions, many multiple champions in each division and the watered down nature of skills all this brings. We need to return to the time where there was one champion in every division. The lay public needs to be able to point to one person as champion not 2, 3 or more.
     
  3. apollack

    apollack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great post Will Cross.
     
  4. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Make that 200 years. 1810s or 1820s they were telling frequent sparring exhibitions were killing bareknuckle boxing.
     
  5. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    not the same at all!

    in an age with modern technology Boxing should be the most popular it's ever been!!!

    Able to be seen literally around the globe, Rankings, Records, Reports and Commentaries at your finger tips. BUT in spite of all this it IS dead.

    and it's dead because it is full of B.S, arrogant hype, plastic paper champs, protection, percentages stats, false ratings & match ups and every other conceivable modern day sport injection imaginable. Everything but Honest to Goodness Champions, 1 per weight. Less weights. One Governing body and just full of fighters that don't matter, will never matter, never get near a Champ. No More CONTENDERS and so on.

    It's got ALL the modern advantages, but it still can't make it.

    Why? because it is S hi t and full of nonsense. People expect more from Top Level World Sport!!!
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I have thought about starting this same thread a few times.

    How much in receipts did Mayweather produce over the weekend? Yeah, boxing is dying.
     
  7. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    It doesn't occupy the same cultural space as it used to, it's not as popular as it used to be.

    But it will never die. A big fight or a great fighter will always get people's attention.
     
  8. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    Obviously fights are selling better because of PPV.
    It's not as if Dempsey or Ali weren't popular enough to fight on PPV.
     
  9. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    it never got swept away by ufc and can make the news occasionally, not the biggest sport in the world but it aint dying by a long shot.
     
  10. Andrei00

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    It's dying, and it's sad to say but the only thing keeping it alive for now is Floyd's persona out of the ring.
     
  11. willcross

    willcross Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ali did fight on pay per view! He's the guy that started Pay per View! Ali vs Frazier 3 was the first pay per view.

    Remember the 80's? Those were awesome days were everyone cared about boxing right? The fab four and all that.

    Did you know Duran vs Leonard 1 was a pay per view fight? It only cost 10 dollars. It sold 150k. Pac vs Diaz did almost twice that at 250k.

    So even tho it costs 5 times as much money (mostly inflation), way more people were interested in seeing Pac fight a no hope opponent than seeing Duran vs Leonard 1.

    De la Hoya vs Mayweather did 2.5 MILLION views. That sold 16 times the amount of buys than Duran vs Leonard at 6 times the price.

    So why the hell would the sport of boxing suddenly stop PPVs? It makes money, and people buy it like crazy! Lets say Showtime suddenly tells Mayweather his next fight will be free. Instead of making 40 million, he's making 400k. Would that really help the sport? The alternative to PPV isn't free superfights. The alternative to PPV is no more superfights.
     
  12. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Good thread, I particularly like the way a couple of posters got the wrong end of the stick- like the ones stuck in 1903. :lol: Every sport is dying if you listen to boring old farts enough. The same old crap is said time after time and they dole out the same old crap:
    • "today's fighters are like autmomatons going through the same motions fight after fight"
    • "kids don't have the ambition any more"
    • "Today's fighters won't be remembered in years to come"
    • "The heavyweight scene is rubbish compared to (insert year here)".
    They were saying this stuff 60 odd years ago- even longer as your post proved. :yep

    It's the same in any sport, you'll always get some old **** still believes Rod Laver would beat Roger Federer and Jesse Owens would leave Usain Bolt standing. But yeah, let's ignore the footage and what we can plainly see with our own eyes because some old coach who's now 103 is the only person to listen to on these subjects, despite being blind for 35 years :yep

    I didn't know this and while I agree that big fights will always be very popular- the US population must have increased by about 100 million or so in the last 30/40 years surely. So you're always going to get bigger sales overall. But I definitely agree with many of your points made in this thread.

    Of course, there is a lot wrong with boxing, but that's mainly the amount of weight divisions and meaningless titles. But we've been used to that for 30/40 years by now. A return to fights shown on prime time slot on free tv would be nice but like you say the alternative would be no more superfights and we've simply moved with the times.
     
  13. Unforgiven

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    OK, so you're telling me that Oscar, Manny and Floyd are a lot more popular than Ali, Frazier, Duran and Leonard ?




    PPV is fine with me.
     
  14. willcross

    willcross Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm saying more people were interested in seeing Oscar, Floyd, and Jones fight than Duran and Leonard. I'm just as surprised at you are!

    The poster above me made an excellent point that the US population has increased since then. So let's look at it like this. What percent of the population was interested enough to PPV the following fights.

    Duran vs Leonard

    US population at the time: 225,000,000

    How many bought the fight: 150,000

    Percentage of people who bought the fight: 0.06

    Jones vs Trinidad

    US population at the time: 305,000,000

    How many bought the fight: 500,000

    Percentage of people who bought the fight: 0.16


    So in this very specific example almost three times as many people bought a poor selling Jones vs Tito than what seems like a great fight in Duran vs Leonard. Even tho the Jones fight cost twice as much when adjusted for inflation.



    Possible problems with this example are:

    1. Maybe at the time Duran and Leonard weren't as popular as I think they would have been?

    But to counter this I purposely chose a poor selling modern day fight.

    2. This was only the 2nd ppv ever. Maybe people refused to buy it in protest?

    This could be a very valid point. A fight from the late 80's when PPV was more accepted might be a better choice. But I couldn't find numbers for many old fights.

    3. Duran was moving up in weight. Maybe people didn't buy it cause they assumed it was a mismatch? I don't know what the odds were.


    So in conclusion i'm not trying to be confrontational. I just thought it was funny that people have always thought the sport was in decline. I also thought the numbers were interesting. What do you guys make of it? Maybe people have more disposable income since more people's wives work now a days?
     
  15. Kendom

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    Do you think perhaps it was a lot easier to watch PPV fights for free in those days, ie ways to cheat the system?