How come Canelo did not take more chances?

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  1. the brown bomber

    the brown bomber Active Member Full Member

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    On ESPN Nacho said

    4. He failed to take risks

    "Not only did we not see a change in strategy, we did not see any other kind of combination beyond what they have taught him, which is the left-right hook. Although, if [Alvarez] had gone at it in there with everything, if he had really put on the full press, maybe even he would have knocked [Mayweather] down, but we didn't know what could have happened. Because that's easy for [Mayweather], when they go looking for him, he puts you on the canvas like Ricky Hatton or Juan Manuel [Marquez]."
     
  2. Josephd86

    Josephd86 Active Member Full Member

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    Haha yeah that's shy the scoring was wildly celebrated with praise and honour afterwards.
     
  3. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have watched that fight about five times and as a matter of fact I am watching it right now. Canelo got a boxing lesson in the fight and he so much as admitted to that in the post fight interview. Floyd didn't physically beat him down but the physical and mental combined produced a clear picture of dominance. The gap in skills was huge. You didn't hear any one in the pro Canelo crowd booing the decision. It was obvious. Now you might not be a Canelo fan but you are definitely a Mayweather hater cause you stalk every thread about Mayweather with some negative talk about the man. What's up with that?:bbb
     
  4. Sunchild78

    Sunchild78 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People look at Floyd as being a lite puncher, but there is a sting within those punches that make his opponents respect him.
     
  5. Barrera

    Barrera Defeated Boxing_master Full Member

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    i agree that canelo did do pretty well and did push the action from time to time. he also landed some good shots but even someone like ortiz landed a few good shots on mayweather... i mean its boxing "you step in the shower, your gonna get wet" but everytime mayweather employed a real amateur boxing approach to this fight (the same i noticed rigo use on donaire) : if he tags me with a good shot, i aient letting him end the exchange without sending an immediate reply if equal if not better punches. so on the fairly rare occurrence canelo landed better shots during the rounds mayweather always replied back strong, he knew he could outbox him pot shotting with his jab to score points aswell as relying on his defense to further boost his lead on the cards (fyi harold ledderman says 25% of your scoring should be based on defense...someone should mention that to cj ross).

    i admire hatton and gatti for going to the bitter end ... that takes true guts and heart, canelo tried and tried but i really wish he would have atleast attempted to go for broke and bullrush floyd at some point. any change would have been a step in the right direction
     
  6. Barrera

    Barrera Defeated Boxing_master Full Member

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    according to mosley he said both canelo and floyd hit about the same...
     
  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Canelo threw more punches than Cotto did vs Mayweather and threw more punches than Mayweather did in the fight.

    Bolded text is your personal opinion, and in no way is that an absolute fact based statement. You think because Mayweather threw nearly 200 less punches vs Canelo than he did vs Cotto, that somehow means he was winning by a larger margin? That make no sense whatsoever, especially give the fact that the scorecards were so much closer.

    Canelo was very clearly better at countering Mayweather than Cotto was. Mayweather was easily able to get in and out vs Cotto without getting hit, whereas with Canelo he had to be more careful because Canelo was effectively countering Mayweather time and time again.
     
  8. Quincy K

    Quincy K Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    first we had people here comparing canelo to tyson, holyfield, toney and beating donald curry and fernando vargas

    now canelo is sweat pea?
     
  9. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    He was busy reading the BLUEPRINT:lol::D:rofl
    :smoke
     
  10. Quincy K

    Quincy K Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    floyd hit mosley with 8-ounce gloves

    canelo hit mosley with 10-ounce gloves


    not a fair comparason
     
  11. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Canelo's natural mindset is to take his time and box.
    However, he does go to the body well and has shown he can brawl in spurts.
    I dont think its out of the realm of possibility to think he could focus his training camp to the attacking part of the game considering it was a given that Mayweather was quicker, faster, and even Canelo's mother knew Mayweathers boxing skillset was better than Canelo's.

    Ray Leonard is'nt a brawler, but when he realized he was'nt outboxing Hearns, he turned up the notch and took more chances in attacking Hearns to the body and head. He got aggressive and went to brawling.

    Juan Manuel Marquez a natural counterpuncher after getting robbed by the judges thrice, decided he had to take more chances and look to load up to catch Pacquiao.
    He did, to the tune of two knockdowns which included putting Pacquiao to sleep.

    Great talent finds avenues even when they're not as comfortable traveling them then they are in their natural mode.

    Canelo btw did turn it up some from the 8th round on, but not enough.
    The way Canelo fought the 8th thru 12th, he should have fought 1 thru 6.
    Come the 2nd half of the fight depending on where he was at, he had to be ready to turn it up slightly more.

    Its not his natural thing to do, but he was capable of being more aggressive had he conditioined his mindset it was exactly what he needed to do during training camp.


    Canelo is'nt at his peak where he knows his own capablilites. Juan Manuel Marquez and Ray Leonard were, and so they took it to the next level and did what they needed to do under the circumstances.

    Great fighters have the capability to adapt and change their style some to whats required under the circumstances.

    Canelo is a very good fighter right now, just not great, at least not yet.
     
  12. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hrmm I have it paused now after the 7th round. Rounds 1-6 were extremely close. The 7th round though was all Floyd. The fight was very close after 6 rounds.

    Rounds 1-3 were toss up rounds, Round 4 to Canelo, 5 & 6 Floyd started turning it up, close but probably Floyd rounds. Then Round 7 Floyd landed a nice uppercut through the guard, the best punch of the fight. I'm about to watch rounds 8-12 again.
     
  13. HitBattousai

    HitBattousai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To be blunt, most fighters don't have the gear to try something beyond their normal style, and that(plus the catchweight), pretty much sealed the deal on this fight from the moment it was signed. Canelo isn't a pressure fighter, he's a somewhat aggressive counterpuncher, and given that he had struggled immensely against the only two boxer-type fighters he'd ever faced(Trout and Gomez), there was no reason at all to think he'd be able to hang with Floyd.
     
  14. Bald_Toad

    Bald_Toad Ring Title Full Member

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    He was severely weight drained.
     
  15. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As a true fan, BT...surprised you think the immense disparity between Floyd 'n Canelo is all a weight-drained issue.