Boxing is DYING! (And has been for 100 years)

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by willcross, Sep 16, 2013.


  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    To quote a great movie...

    Money talks, bull**** walks.
     
  2. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Boxing does not have the widespread popularity it had in years past. This can be seen at a low level...much fewer boxing gyms, much fewer fighters. Athletes will gravitate now to other sports rather than boxing. Big fights will always call attention to themselves and rake in the dollars. That does not mean boxing overall is alive and well. Boxing is a sport in need of a massive overhaul. I don't believe it will ever happen however.
     
  3. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Money does not equate fame, as Floyd's case proves. A fair percentage of the people I know- or who i've ever met- wouldn't recognise Floyd Mayweather if he was in a two-man identity parade, with the other candidate being Marty Feldman.
     
  4. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Hagler was a bigger name than Hearns over here. I think this was to do with the aura he created as champ- virtually unbeatable hard *******, complete with shaven head- and the fact that he beat up our two best middleweights.
     
  5. willcross

    willcross Well-Known Member Full Member

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    True, the PPV graphic didn't exist then so maybe it's not fair to compare. Let's use live attendance and the money generated from that. That should be fair?

    Hagler vs Leonard sold out 15,336 seats in 16 days.

    Floyd vs Canelo sold out 16,746 seats in a couple hours.

    That fight also broke the record for the largest live gate in boxing history. The previous record was also for a Mayweather fight.

    In fact, if you look at this chart of the top boxing gates in the entire history of Nevada, almost every fight is from the 90's-2000s.

    http://boxing.nv.gov/results/Top_Boxing_Gates/

    Leonard vs Duran didn't even sell out, neither did Leonard vs Hearns II?

    More people attended an average modern fight like Calzaghe vs Hopkins, Mayweather vs Guerrero, and Tyson vs Bruno than attended to see the combined star power of Leonard and Hearns?

    So more people pay to see modern boxing on TV, people pay higher ticket prices to attend the fights, and more people are interested in physically attending the fights today than they were in boxing's heyday? But boxing has declined in popularity?
     
  6. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It also depends on the state of the economy when the bout takes place.
     
  7. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Damn near no one would recognize Messi if he walked down a US street.
     
  8. jaymon112

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    Mayweather-Canelo = 2.2mil PPV buys.

    Boxing is dead. :lol:
     
  9. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It tells me two things.....first, tickets sell out for everything faster now because you can buy them online rather than having to wait in line. Many attendees at these fights also have their tickets comped for them by the casino where they are always staged if they spend a little money there. Still, someone is buying them to be able to give them out, right?

    And of course the gate money eclipses what it used to. It should. Gas and food are mnore expensive now too........
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    Walk on then.
     
  11. willcross

    willcross Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So PPV stats don't count because it's apples and oranges. Gate money doesn't count due to inflation, even tho the sales for modern fights have increased far greater than the rate of inflation has. The number of people interested in seeing the fight live is only due to online ticket sales.

    So the old guys were SO much more popular than the modern fighters and SO many people were fans of them...but they wouldn't bother standing in a line to see them?

    So if none of those hard facts and numbers can be used to judge the popularity of the sport, then what are you going by? How do you know it's not as popular? Just going by your gut?

    Why is it any different than any of the articles saying boxing is in decline from my original post? Or has the popularity of boxing been plummeting since 1915 while the tickets sales have steadily increased?

    How will we know when boxing is no longer in decline and is rising in popularity?

    I just don't think all the problems people cite today are as big as they think. Too many belts? Floyd and Canelo were "both" the 154 lb champion. Didn't seem to hurt sales very much.
     
  12. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They just can't stand Floyd, so anything that shows his being equal or superior to boxers of the past will be dismissed and argued against.
     
  13. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    I can imagine. I can't see a reason why they would, as football (soccer) is hardly the leading headline in the sports pages....just like Mayweather's fights aren't here. In the lounge last year I was having a debate with some tool about who would be the 'overseas sports personailty of the year' and out of the outstanding candidates Bolt and Messi that if the public voted Messi has no chance, he isn't as well-known with the 'casuals' as Bolt is. It's not even close. Bolt is front page news- even his opinion on the playing style of Man Utd made the main headlines/front page of some of the tabloids a few weeks ago!!! :lol: Mayweather can beat the **** out of women, go to jail and it will get a sidebar on page 15 or something. He hasn't the global appeal.

    Boxing still has loads of fans, as figures and attendances often prove- but most of the fighters are not mainstream figures any more, just like say Formula 1 drivers aren't, despite also earning shitloads. It currently lacks and Ali or Tyson figure, or even your mate Dempsey...one that transcends the sport. But like I said, I still think it's in a pretty good state and as long as it has a healthy fan base, like heavy metal music for example, it will always sell well.
     
  14. Unforgiven

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    Is Floyd Mayweather Jr. as famous and recognizable among the broadest section of society as were Ali, Tyson, Sugar Ray Leonard even ?
    Even in America ?
    I know he's not very famous here in the UK.

    Is he as famous as Usain Bolt and Serena Williams ?
    I know he's nowhere near as famous as those two here in the UK.

    Is he as famous as Tiger Woods in America ?

    Would an 80-year-old granny, for example, quite likely know who you mean when you say "Mayweather" ?
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    True.
    I'm in UK but don't follow football so I'm not even sure I would recognize Messi.
    I didn't know who Gareth Bale was until the other day.

    I'm sure it's not just because I like athletics that I know who Bolt is. :lol: