Jim Jeffries v Joe Frazier 15rds

so i cant pick jeffries because someone else piked marvin hart over bruno? how'd you work that fukin stupidness out?

i pick frazier ud, tough fight but lands a lot more, jeffries more likely to get a stoppage but i dont feel a KO either way

 

reading through this thread, there were two arguments made for Frazier which I found less than convincing.

1--Frazier defeated Ali, who is better than Jeff and far better than anyone Jeff defeated.

But Ali defeated Foreman and so Frazier who defeated Ali easily defeats Foreman, right.

2--Frazier defeated tougher opponents than Jeffries.

True, but in 1973 Frazier had beaten far tougher opponents, including Ali, than Foreman had, so Frazier easily defeats Foreman, right.

**It is interesting that neither man looked good against the opponent most like this fantasy matchup. Frazier went 25 rounds with Bonavena w/o ever putting him down. Jeffries went 45 with Sharkey.

Both men were scored as one-handed fighters. I like Frazier, but in a battle of straight-ahead sluggers, Jeff has fifteen pounds in weight, stamina, and also possibly strength and the better chin. It comes out to me as pretty much a toss-up.

 

Jeffries was strong like Chuvalo but supposedly quicker and had more mobility, Frazier pressured forward and could fire the hook pretty good. Its a good fight like Quarry vs Frazier 1 but prime Jeffries was considered great by the old-time boxing geniuses up at Ring Magazine so I think he may rise up for battle....tough call, Frazier was from my generation but this is a good match-up

 

Frazier was a great fighter to watch, but to be truthful he was rather limited on offense. The jab was non-factor, the right hand essentially a set up punch. He had a great left hook, and pretty much used it to win all of his best fights.



Fans of Frazier can't escape the facts that Foreman floored him multiple times, as did Bonevena. These are the two best punchers Frazier fought, and his chin was suspect here. By Frazier's own words he was very close to losing the 1st Bonevena fight. I happen to believe Jeffries hit quite a bit harder than Bonevena did, and had equal to or greater strength than Ali did, who easily tied up Frazier.



As McVey pointed out in another thread, Frazier did not meet punchers such as Shavers, Lyle, and older Liston,, M. Foster, or Norton. I believe this was partly due to his management knowing their fighter well.

 

:roll:

Norton and Frazier were friends. They weren't going to fight. btw, prime Frazier would have run Kenny out the building.

Schavers and Lyle, to my recollection, weren't really relevant in that '68-'71 scene. Post-FOTC, Frazier was hanging around for one more payday against Ali. He was more into his music than boxing post-FOTC. btw, do you reckon Frazier's team had at least a tiny clue that Foreman could punch? :think They didn't duck him.

As for Liston, why in hell would Frazier ever wish to get involved in that stench? Liston was personna non grata and couldn't get a fight with the main contenders post-Lewiston and the stunt he laid down.

Oh, well.

 

According to that logic had he stayed down after the first knockdown that would have made his chin better?

The point getting lost here is that George Foreman wasn`t just another "puncher" he had uncommon power. Many feel the heaviest hands in boxing history outside of Sonny Liston.

We don`t know if Jefferies would have gotten up at all after Foreman nailed him.