Jim Jeffries v Joe Frazier 15rds

1903/04 Jeffries vs '68-'71 Frazier in 15, I think I'd go with Frazier. I don't think Jeffries would be familiar with that sort of infighting, and also would have a hard time landing on Joe, at least the body shots Jeffries liked to land. Possibly, though, Jeffries might be strong enough to shut down Frazier inside and move him bak, then it's more of a fight. But, just as each was in his day, I'd go with Joe.

If they came along in the same time and each developed in analogy to how they developed in their own time, hard for me to say who'd win in 15, though I'd favor peaking Jeffries in 20+ rounds.

 

Frazier fought a good puncher in Jimmy Ellis he had Bonavena down 2x and Quarry was a better banger than Mac Foster who Quarry KO'd and Shavers and Lyle were also beaten by Quarry (who got the rematch with Frazier)

Norton would have never been able to handle Frazier and he was Joe's sparring partner so he did not push for that fight....

Frazier had a short career 26 fights when he fought FOTC ALI and that was his peak then he went on the sudden fame trip and partied more than he trained, when he fought Foreman he not the same Frazier and he was already stunned in his last 2 fights vs Daniels and Stander but lets remember Joe got hit with everything Foreman threw but got up 6 times....

Jeffries may have had more stamina than Foreman and he may? have been faster but few would say he hit as hard.

I see 2 sides to a Frazier-Jeffries fight and this is a rough little monster for Jim to share a ring with for 15 rds...tough battle for both

 

Did Frazier have a good chin? Foreman is one thing, but I find his ability to take flush shots suspect in a lot of fights. Chins are best graded when they are hit flush. How a fighter reacts to the shot tells us a lot. So let’s examine the times when Frazier was hit flush:

1 ) As an amateur Frazier was down quite a few times in a short amateur career.

2 ) Vs Bruce, a no-name Frazier took an 8 count!

3 ) Vs Bonevena, Frazier was down twice, and hurt. His own words “I'll tell you this. The knockdown wasn't what boxing people call a "flash knockdown" -- a knockdown that results from being hit while off balance and finds the fighter jumping right to his feet, clear-eyed and with a sheepish expression. Uh uh. Bonavena hurt me with that right hand, hurt me like I hadn't been hurt since Georgie Boy had sledgehammered me that first day in the PAL gym. I'd walked into Bonavena's right like an innocent who'd strayed into the war zone.
And when I hit the canvas it was as though I'd been awakened from a deep sleep. I was aware of my surroundings, and conscious of being in big damn trouble, as I got to my feet at the count of five and the referee, Mark Conn, gave me the mandatory eight count.
The challenge became to survive the round. But when Bonavena knocked me down a second time, pushing me more than punching me this time, it added to the pressure I was under. I was this close, now, to being beaten for the first time as a professional. . . .
With more than a minute left in the round, I did what I had to. I grabbed Bonavena and drew him to a clinch. He couldn't push me away quickly enough, desperate-crazy as he was to land that punch that would put me on the canvas a third and final time. But I had enough survivor's instincts to stall him while the lights came back on in my head.
Bonavena shoved and shouldered me, he pushed and pulled, and he swung wildly with both hands. But I stayed close to him, trying to smother his punching room. And when I could, I grabbed his arms and held him until the referee broke the clinch. By the end of the round I was clear-headed and fighting back” -_ Joe Frazier

>>>By the way on the 10 point must system, this fight is best scored as a draw!

4 ) In a short fight, Ramos buzzed Frazier, and that’s pretty much all he landed.

5 ) VS Stander, Frazier had his knees buckled. Again, Stander was over matched and did not land much. Yet when he did, look at the effect.

6 ) Vs a very defensive minded Bugner, he too hurt Frazier late in the fight. Look at the effect. I think it was round 11.


Summary: The two best punchers Frazier fought floored him multiple times in Bonevena and Foreman. Neither man was particularly fast handed. The lesser men he fought often did not land many chin checkers, but when they did Frazier’s body visibly shaken. The best way to look at it is Frazier’s chin was suspect vs. punchers, and it only took but one hard shot to either stun him or buckle his knees in several other fights vs. lesser competition! Ali stunned Frazier as well in round 2 of the second match, but few talk about it.

Jeffries hit harder than Bonevenna. Indeed he floored every man in all his fights, save his lame comeback attempt in 1910 when he was out of the ring for 6 years with no warm up fights.

 

I just have to disagree with you here ... a super aggressive fighter blind in one eye is going to get caught which is what happened in most of the fights you pointed out ... He was getting hammered by Foreman ut kept getting up ... it's an over the top point ... I can make the same argument against anyone ...

It's known Ali had a terrific chin but ..

He was floored by Sonny Banks
He was badly staggered by Doug Jones in the first round of their fight
He was for all intents and purposes KO'ed by 188 pound Henry Cooper
He was floored by Frazier after being badly staggered by Frazier in an earlier round of the same bout.
He was badly hurt by Ken Norton in their first and third fights.
He was badly staggered and out on his feet against Shavers.
He was badly hurt by Leon Spinks in the 15th round of their first bout

and that's Ali ...

IN addition, we have no clue how hard Jeffries hit since he never fought one first class heavyweight over 210 and in their physical prime in his whole career ..